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So you've never worked for Apple but think people should know what you imagine people at Apple think?

ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
> So you've never worked for Apple but think people should know what you imagine people at Apple think? I thought we didn't post personal attacks on HN. That was uncalled-for.
- thehappypm 5y ago
  Seems like an attack on your qualification to make that statement, not you yourself
  - ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
    I clearly, and unambiguously spelled out my qualification (30+ years of working with very happy Apple engineers), and also clearly stated that I have never worked there, myself. I was extremely careful not to write in a confrontational manner. It was merely a vague statement, of my own personal PoV, based on a great deal of personal experience (I've been writing Apple software since 1986). Much of that time was spent, working for very respected corporations that had a close working relationship with Apple engineering. I spent a great deal of time, working directly with Apple engineers and managers. I have also had many, many training sessions at Apple (back when they did that). I've spent a lot of time, in the Apple ecosystem. It doesn't escape my notice that lots of other folks that haven't worked for Apple have been more than happy to post their opinions, here. Apple seems to be a bit of a lightning rod. I can tell you that anyone that has developed for them, as long as I have, has become quite used to torrents of abuse. I can't even imagine what Apple employees had to go through (actually, I can, because they told me). I have to add that I have never had any interaction with either of you two folks, yet your very first interaction with me, was an attack. That may fly on Facebook or Twitter, but it may be ... less than ideal ... in a professional environment (which I definitely consider HN). Note that I make it absolutely clear who I am, how to get in touch with me, and how to find out more about me. It encourages me to behave well. I deleted my last anonymous social media account, years ago. This is a community. I consider it to be a professional community, and I value the considered input of professionals. I learn something every day from HN, and have great respect for many of its participants. It is not a good idea for me to start relationships off in a pugilistic manner. I am likely to reduce the number of opportunities for me to grow; both personally, and professionally.
dang 5y ago
Please don't go after another user like this on HN. It's not the kind of discussion we want here, and it doesn't add anything interesting. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Note this one: "Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine."

> So you've never worked for Apple but think people should know what you imagine people at Apple think? I thought we didn't post personal attacks on HN. That was uncalled-for.

thehappypm 5y ago
Seems like an attack on your qualification to make that statement, not you yourself
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
  I clearly, and unambiguously spelled out my qualification (30+ years of working with very happy Apple engineers), and also clearly stated that I have never worked there, myself. I was extremely careful not to write in a confrontational manner. It was merely a vague statement, of my own personal PoV, based on a great deal of personal experience (I've been writing Apple software since 1986). Much of that time was spent, working for very respected corporations that had a close working relationship with Apple engineering. I spent a great deal of time, working directly with Apple engineers and managers. I have also had many, many training sessions at Apple (back when they did that). I've spent a lot of time, in the Apple ecosystem. It doesn't escape my notice that lots of other folks that haven't worked for Apple have been more than happy to post their opinions, here. Apple seems to be a bit of a lightning rod. I can tell you that anyone that has developed for them, as long as I have, has become quite used to torrents of abuse. I can't even imagine what Apple employees had to go through (actually, I can, because they told me). I have to add that I have never had any interaction with either of you two folks, yet your very first interaction with me, was an attack. That may fly on Facebook or Twitter, but it may be ... less than ideal ... in a professional environment (which I definitely consider HN). Note that I make it absolutely clear who I am, how to get in touch with me, and how to find out more about me. It encourages me to behave well. I deleted my last anonymous social media account, years ago. This is a community. I consider it to be a professional community, and I value the considered input of professionals. I learn something every day from HN, and have great respect for many of its participants. It is not a good idea for me to start relationships off in a pugilistic manner. I am likely to reduce the number of opportunities for me to grow; both personally, and professionally.

dang 5y ago

Please don't go after another user like this on HN. It's not the kind of discussion we want here, and it doesn't add anything interesting. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Note this one: "Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine."