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Designers and PMs. Apple is being ran by designers and PMs. Which is not really a bad thing from users point of view.

by double_nan 5y ago

baxtr 5y ago
Apple has product managers?
- eigen 5y ago
  > Apple has product managers? hiring so many project managers. https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/search?search=pm&sort=relevance&location=united-states-USA https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/search?search=pm&sort=relevance...
  - baxtr 5y ago
    Project vs Product
- zffr 5y ago
  Parent commenter might mean EPMs (engineering program managers). They are basically project managers and keep software releases on time. They do tend to hold a lot of power at apple. I don’t think I have never come across an actual product manager at apple. Design tends to make on most of that responsibility
  - baxtr 5y ago
    Exactly. Design and Eng as far as I know. Project managers is a whole different thing…
AceJohnny2 5y ago
> Apple is being ran by designers and PMs The nice thing about being run by PMs is that products and feature ship. I joke bitterly with my friends at Google who can't seem to consistently deliver anything outside of their existing cash-cows.
- double_nan 5y ago
  That is true. It has its own downsides as well. Like extremely outdated and bad tech in the areas not visible to the higher ups.
richiezc 5y ago
I'm under the impression that EPM is more of a project management role than a traditional PM role given how tops down Apple is?
- double_nan 5y ago
  Well, it’s not easy to understand the full list of responsibilities for the PM ppl, but from my point of view at apple the most important and valuable asset is access to VP+ folks. PMs and designers have the most of it.
hu3 5y ago
> Apple is being ran by designers and PMs. That explains the state of Xcode and WWDC-driven documentation.
astrange 5y ago
Apple doesn’t have PMs. SWE has EPMs but they have no power.
- double_nan 5y ago
  Direct power yes. Political? Well the answer is different.

Designers and PMs. Apple is being ran by designers and PMs. Which is not really a bad thing from users point of view.

baxtr 5y ago

Apple has product managers?

eigen 5y ago
> Apple has product managers? hiring so many project managers. https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/search?search=pm&sort=relevance&location=united-states-USA https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/search?search=pm&sort=relevance...
- baxtr 5y ago
  Project vs Product
zffr 5y ago
Parent commenter might mean EPMs (engineering program managers). They are basically project managers and keep software releases on time. They do tend to hold a lot of power at apple. I don’t think I have never come across an actual product manager at apple. Design tends to make on most of that responsibility
- baxtr 5y ago
  Exactly. Design and Eng as far as I know. Project managers is a whole different thing…

AceJohnny2 5y ago

> Apple is being ran by designers and PMs The nice thing about being run by PMs is that products and feature ship. I joke bitterly with my friends at Google who can't seem to consistently deliver anything outside of their existing cash-cows.

double_nan 5y ago
That is true. It has its own downsides as well. Like extremely outdated and bad tech in the areas not visible to the higher ups.

richiezc 5y ago

I'm under the impression that EPM is more of a project management role than a traditional PM role given how tops down Apple is?

double_nan 5y ago
Well, it’s not easy to understand the full list of responsibilities for the PM ppl, but from my point of view at apple the most important and valuable asset is access to VP+ folks. PMs and designers have the most of it.

hu3 5y ago

> Apple is being ran by designers and PMs. That explains the state of Xcode and WWDC-driven documentation.

astrange 5y ago

Apple doesn’t have PMs. SWE has EPMs but they have no power.

double_nan 5y ago
Direct power yes. Political? Well the answer is different.