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I worked in software & hardware engineering at Apple, we don't know one another, and nothing you cite as the common refrain was true anywhere around our world.

I worked in software & hardware engineering at Apple, we don't know one another, and nothing you cite as the common refrain was true anywhere around our world. We were treated excellently, and I loved it. (Quit for a science job far away, total non sequitur, not because of Apple)

ozzythecat 5y ago
This is a recurring theme of posts that authoritatively attempt to describe the “hopeless” working conditions of highly compensated employees at big tech company <X>. I’ve been at one of the FAANGs for about 7 years. I’ve been on some amazing teams but also my share of office bs and difficult people. From reading HN’s characterization of my work environment, I’m depressed, completely stressed out, and everyone I work with is a horrible human being. I mean, if I wasn’t depressed before, I’m more likely to be depressed after reading some of these posts. As much as folks on even this site rally against FB, the constant stream of negativity or opinions - on why we should all hate X or why Y is evil - is easily found even here on HN.
ksec 5y ago
I think there is a major difference between Steve-Jobs era and Tim Cook era. Lots of people's past experience may have been Steve Jobs or slightly past Steve Jobs era from 11 - 14, where most of the things stayed the same. I tend to think 2015 was a turning point. And everything after is Tim Cook era. Also depends on org as well, for example vast majority of bad comments could be traced back to Apple IS&T. And you dont even need insider story to tell, simply judge them by IS&T's output on iCloud and any services.
- jjtheblunt 5y ago
  I was there for both eras, and what you wrote seems plausible. It did seem pointless bureaucracy attempts were more prevalent after 2015 or so, from what i observed, and such were explicitly spoken of as forbidden before 2011, for example.

ozzythecat 5y ago

This is a recurring theme of posts that authoritatively attempt to describe the “hopeless” working conditions of highly compensated employees at big tech company <X>. I’ve been at one of the FAANGs for about 7 years. I’ve been on some amazing teams but also my share of office bs and difficult people. From reading HN’s characterization of my work environment, I’m depressed, completely stressed out, and everyone I work with is a horrible human being. I mean, if I wasn’t depressed before, I’m more likely to be depressed after reading some of these posts. As much as folks on even this site rally against FB, the constant stream of negativity or opinions - on why we should all hate X or why Y is evil - is easily found even here on HN.

ksec 5y ago

I think there is a major difference between Steve-Jobs era and Tim Cook era. Lots of people's past experience may have been Steve Jobs or slightly past Steve Jobs era from 11 - 14, where most of the things stayed the same. I tend to think 2015 was a turning point. And everything after is Tim Cook era. Also depends on org as well, for example vast majority of bad comments could be traced back to Apple IS&T. And you dont even need insider story to tell, simply judge them by IS&T's output on iCloud and any services.

jjtheblunt 5y ago
I was there for both eras, and what you wrote seems plausible. It did seem pointless bureaucracy attempts were more prevalent after 2015 or so, from what i observed, and such were explicitly spoken of as forbidden before 2011, for example.