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We've been interviewing a bunch of Apple engineers. I doubt the $30k a year with some difficult vesting cliff is going to keep those guys working at the dumpst

We've been interviewing a bunch of Apple engineers. I doubt the $30k a year with some difficult vesting cliff is going to keep those guys working at the dumpster fire that has become Apple.

mistrial9 5y ago
LOL - dumpster fire of money! and prestige and long-term sales channels. Apple for engineers you mean.. most people here care, but management does not care, and brags about that. I absolutely recall Apple's cynical "revenue per employee" numbers being pushed around, like a house cat who craps in the middle of a path, to show everyone who is really in charge.
the_duke 5y ago
Can you share the complaints? What's theur reason for leaving?
m_a_g 5y ago
In what ways did it become a dumpster fire? I thought Apple was a great place to work, but now I'm curious...
- frozenport 5y ago
  Biggest complaints: 1) work were you perform difficult maintenance tasks, think debugging userland code from complete system dumps 2) challenging infrastructure 3) monopolization of power by established employees Reality is that Apple willing to have 10x the typical staff for marginal gains. Being part of that can be difficult and boring.
- kerneloftruth 5y ago
  Things change. Their products used to be so good they were considered as a standard for quality and usability. Few of the iconic companies of the past retain their status. Apple has sunk a long way; but, like IBM and Microsoft, though, there's a still a lot of air to fall through before they hit ground.
  - ju-st 5y ago
    Apple products are mostly still 10x better than their competitors products.
- ksec 5y ago
  My opinion / guess from 20 years of watching Apple, is something to do with their values, principles and politics, along with PR or at least their projected image vs the actual image they have differs greatly. We may hear more stories in the next few years. Either the woke took over, or the woke left.

We've been interviewing a bunch of Apple engineers. I doubt the $30k a year with some difficult vesting cliff is going to keep those guys working at the dumpster fire that has become Apple.

mistrial9 5y ago

LOL - dumpster fire of money! and prestige and long-term sales channels. Apple for engineers you mean.. most people here care, but management does not care, and brags about that. I absolutely recall Apple's cynical "revenue per employee" numbers being pushed around, like a house cat who craps in the middle of a path, to show everyone who is really in charge.

the_duke 5y ago

Can you share the complaints? What's theur reason for leaving?

m_a_g 5y ago

In what ways did it become a dumpster fire? I thought Apple was a great place to work, but now I'm curious...

frozenport 5y ago
Biggest complaints: 1) work were you perform difficult maintenance tasks, think debugging userland code from complete system dumps 2) challenging infrastructure 3) monopolization of power by established employees Reality is that Apple willing to have 10x the typical staff for marginal gains. Being part of that can be difficult and boring.
kerneloftruth 5y ago
Things change. Their products used to be so good they were considered as a standard for quality and usability. Few of the iconic companies of the past retain their status. Apple has sunk a long way; but, like IBM and Microsoft, though, there's a still a lot of air to fall through before they hit ground.
- ju-st 5y ago
  Apple products are mostly still 10x better than their competitors products.
ksec 5y ago
My opinion / guess from 20 years of watching Apple, is something to do with their values, principles and politics, along with PR or at least their projected image vs the actual image they have differs greatly. We may hear more stories in the next few years. Either the woke took over, or the woke left.