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> it's only by virtue of supply & demand Absolutely. I never meant to imply otherwise. Worth mentioning that this will be true for a while though. > The truth

> it's only by virtue of supply & demand Absolutely. I never meant to imply otherwise. Worth mentioning that this will be true for a while though. > The truth is, if you're at a school where the CS program only pays faculty $65k I have first-hand knowledge about 3 such institutions, all of which place at least one student in a position that pays >$150K every year. Perhaps shy of 3x but higher than 2x for sure. Averages tend to be around 90K (pulled down by people who choose to go to grad school). > Those students aren't going to a school with the name recognition required to easily open doors for entry-level $200k positions. But they do receive fantastic educations, because they are at teaching-oriented institutions and get hand-held through their pre-career years (internship placement, interviewing skills, etc. are all coached 1:1). The basic issue is that administrators at lower-tier institutions haven't yet flipped the switch where "CS = Finance/Accounting". They continue to hope and dream that their mathematics faculty can pick up the slack, as if it's still the 80s/early 90s and CS hasn't blossomed into its own highly specialized field.

ineedasername 5y ago
>place at least one student in a position that pays >$150K every year. That's pretty much what I mean by it being an outlier: it's not the norm. >But they do receive fantastic educations, because they are at teaching-oriented... That's hit or miss: Anyone that's highly self-motivated will do fine at most schools. One prof I had was at best disinterested. They basically summarized chapters on the chalkboard. Their apathy in answering questions went a long way towards discouraging questions in the first place. It was a shame too because their personal research was interesting: 3-dimensional computer vision. Unfortunately this was a foundation course too. I did fine, but other students that were excited about CS yet had no exposure to it before college ended up with C/D/F grades and were either setup for ever tougher times when the work got harder or simply left the program. (Computers were still expensive at that time and the dot com bubble was still building, so it was pretty common for students to arrive enthusiastic about the new tech field but completely without prior exposure to it. Maybe things are better today).

ineedasername 5y ago

>place at least one student in a position that pays >$150K every year. That's pretty much what I mean by it being an outlier: it's not the norm. >But they do receive fantastic educations, because they are at teaching-oriented... That's hit or miss: Anyone that's highly self-motivated will do fine at most schools. One prof I had was at best disinterested. They basically summarized chapters on the chalkboard. Their apathy in answering questions went a long way towards discouraging questions in the first place. It was a shame too because their personal research was interesting: 3-dimensional computer vision. Unfortunately this was a foundation course too. I did fine, but other students that were excited about CS yet had no exposure to it before college ended up with C/D/F grades and were either setup for ever tougher times when the work got harder or simply left the program. (Computers were still expensive at that time and the dot com bubble was still building, so it was pretty common for students to arrive enthusiastic about the new tech field but completely without prior exposure to it. Maybe things are better today).