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This is FUD. It’s about streamlining configuration of plans and activation and getting rid of physical widget https://www.t-mobile.com/support/tutorials/topic/

This is FUD. It’s about streamlining configuration of plans and activation and getting rid of physical widget https://www.t-mobile.com/support/tutorials/topic/esim/activate-postpaid-esim-by-scanning-a-qr-code/device/apple/iphone-11 https://www.t-mobile.com/support/tutorials/topic/esim/activa...

pessimizer 5y ago
This is marketing. It's about putting Apple in the middle of plans and activation, and getting rid of a physical standard.
- rosndo 5y ago
  - NullPrefix 5y ago
    >working on my own eSIM implementation Please tell me you are serious about this. Tried looking into this earlier and found out that eSIM is extra proprietary, which means no hobby devices, like those 3G/4G/GSM connectivity Arduino modules.
    - mrcode007 5y ago
      I don’t know where you’re pulling these claims out from but here are the specs: https://www.gsma.com/esim/esim-specification/ https://www.gsma.com/esim/esim-specification/ In addition you can get ST micro data sheets for full blown electrical and mechanical data sheets for free
      - ubercow13 5y ago
        Apple doesn’t use this eSIM spec, they have their own proprietary one.
        FDSGSG 5y ago
        Do you have a source for this?
        rosndo 5y ago
        Of course not, because it’s a lie.
  - sangnoir 5y ago
    I doubt payment is part of the spec, but I bet you a dollar Apple Payments is going to factor into the "seamless provisioning experience".
    - FDSGSG 5y ago
      You would lose that dollar. eSIMs have been available on iOS for ages and have nothing to do with "Apple Payments".
      - sangnoir 5y ago
        You're too focussed on the narrow technology implementation and not on the potential consumer experience. Here's what a rational, profitable scenario would look like to me: in the not-too-distant-future, you land in country X and you get prompted if you would you like a local number by partner Mobile network. If you agree, Apple submits your electronic ID[1] to the Mobile Network for KYC purposes (with your opt-in), you pay with your Apple wallet, and you get a local number. The network gets paid, and Apple gets its cut (as well as a subsequent payments, if it's a PAYG plan) - and you haven't even picked up your baggage from the carousel. Apple can even play off networks against each other and pick the more profitable ones, and consumers get a sleek onboarding experience for a fee, or bundled with your Apple TV/iTunes/iServices subscription, so you can resume watching season 10 of Foundation while you wait for your Uber. 1. https://www.macrumors.com/2021/11/15/apple-strict-terms-on-us-states-digital-ids/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/11/15/apple-strict-terms-on-u...
        rosndo 5y ago
        You are criticizing a weird strawman here. eSIMs already work on iPhones, it would be difficult for Apple to walk back on that. Removing the SIM slot isn’t a step into that direction, removing standards compliant eSIM support would be. Or maybe your comment isn’t meant as a criticism at all, I think that actually sounds pretty awesome. As long as we retain the ability to load our own eSIMs.

pessimizer 5y ago

This is marketing. It's about putting Apple in the middle of plans and activation, and getting rid of a physical standard.

rosndo 5y ago
- NullPrefix 5y ago
  >working on my own eSIM implementation Please tell me you are serious about this. Tried looking into this earlier and found out that eSIM is extra proprietary, which means no hobby devices, like those 3G/4G/GSM connectivity Arduino modules.
  - mrcode007 5y ago
    I don’t know where you’re pulling these claims out from but here are the specs: https://www.gsma.com/esim/esim-specification/ https://www.gsma.com/esim/esim-specification/ In addition you can get ST micro data sheets for full blown electrical and mechanical data sheets for free
    - ubercow13 5y ago
      Apple doesn’t use this eSIM spec, they have their own proprietary one.
      - FDSGSG 5y ago
        Do you have a source for this?
        rosndo 5y ago
        Of course not, because it’s a lie.
- sangnoir 5y ago
  I doubt payment is part of the spec, but I bet you a dollar Apple Payments is going to factor into the "seamless provisioning experience".
  - FDSGSG 5y ago
    You would lose that dollar. eSIMs have been available on iOS for ages and have nothing to do with "Apple Payments".
    - sangnoir 5y ago
      You're too focussed on the narrow technology implementation and not on the potential consumer experience. Here's what a rational, profitable scenario would look like to me: in the not-too-distant-future, you land in country X and you get prompted if you would you like a local number by partner Mobile network. If you agree, Apple submits your electronic ID[1] to the Mobile Network for KYC purposes (with your opt-in), you pay with your Apple wallet, and you get a local number. The network gets paid, and Apple gets its cut (as well as a subsequent payments, if it's a PAYG plan) - and you haven't even picked up your baggage from the carousel. Apple can even play off networks against each other and pick the more profitable ones, and consumers get a sleek onboarding experience for a fee, or bundled with your Apple TV/iTunes/iServices subscription, so you can resume watching season 10 of Foundation while you wait for your Uber. 1. https://www.macrumors.com/2021/11/15/apple-strict-terms-on-us-states-digital-ids/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/11/15/apple-strict-terms-on-u...
      - rosndo 5y ago
        You are criticizing a weird strawman here. eSIMs already work on iPhones, it would be difficult for Apple to walk back on that. Removing the SIM slot isn’t a step into that direction, removing standards compliant eSIM support would be. Or maybe your comment isn’t meant as a criticism at all, I think that actually sounds pretty awesome. As long as we retain the ability to load our own eSIMs.