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Since you do not [most likely] have root access to your phone, you cannot directly examine what Apple/Google has installed on _your specific_ phone. Any of thes

Since you do not [most likely] have root access to your phone, you cannot directly examine what Apple/Google has installed on _your specific_ phone. Any of these applications could have its memory examined transparently if the operating system is evil.

vmception 5y ago
Yes, that actually highlights the absurdity of the government's stances to encryption. They can still do an actual investigation on the person and try to dump from the physical devices they find (whether it requires a court order first, or not). Of course, this is expensive, and often it is not possible to know who to go to, or whether they can access that person, or they don't have enough information yet to determine if a crime has been committed. But that's the point. In the US, for example, the constitution was constructed specifically to be an alternative to how England and its colonies were governed. Governments have had a small window of time where electronic communications had a combination of: existing, not being private, and being understood by law enforcement. That window is closing and is just a reversion to the mean. Of course they are going to say "everyone using this convenient poorly implemented system without privacy helps us greatly in investigations", but thats not the point. They have to do an actual investigation now and target the devices itself physically, and even after all that only sometimes that will yield anything, depends on the OS version and app used, and app version.
gwbas1c 5y ago
Yes, and don't forget: Anyone who wants to steal your password can covertly look over your shoulder. They can also physically break into your house by smashing a window, or running a bulldozer through your wall. Security always requires a certain amount of trust. If you can't get that trust, meet in person and keep your electronic communication vague.

vmception 5y ago

Yes, that actually highlights the absurdity of the government's stances to encryption. They can still do an actual investigation on the person and try to dump from the physical devices they find (whether it requires a court order first, or not). Of course, this is expensive, and often it is not possible to know who to go to, or whether they can access that person, or they don't have enough information yet to determine if a crime has been committed. But that's the point. In the US, for example, the constitution was constructed specifically to be an alternative to how England and its colonies were governed. Governments have had a small window of time where electronic communications had a combination of: existing, not being private, and being understood by law enforcement. That window is closing and is just a reversion to the mean. Of course they are going to say "everyone using this convenient poorly implemented system without privacy helps us greatly in investigations", but thats not the point. They have to do an actual investigation now and target the devices itself physically, and even after all that only sometimes that will yield anything, depends on the OS version and app used, and app version.

gwbas1c 5y ago

Yes, and don't forget: Anyone who wants to steal your password can covertly look over your shoulder. They can also physically break into your house by smashing a window, or running a bulldozer through your wall. Security always requires a certain amount of trust. If you can't get that trust, meet in person and keep your electronic communication vague.