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No, it's not a stretch at all. This is just nerd contrarianism.

smoldesu 5y ago
Well, let's see. Is there a way for me to run a Java program as native machine code? Or is the code that I'm executing still a runtime that interprets a program?
- maratc 5y ago
  The vast majority of the programs in the world are written in Javascript, and there's no way for you to "run" them if by that you mean "natively".
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    I'm comfortable making that distinction. JavaScript isn't executed like normal, native code, so... I still agree.
    - maratc 5y ago
      When the majority of programs in the world can't be "run" according to your definition, you might want to reconsider your definition.
      - robbedpeter 5y ago
        You're redefining the terms, native and interpreted programs are differentiated by the execution layer, and it has nothing to do with where a majority of programs live.
      - ithkuil 5y ago
        Since we're enjoying a nitpick picnic you can compile JS AOT to Java with rhino and then to native code with GCJ
  - andrewxdiamond 5y ago
    > The vast majority of the programs in the world are written in Javascript Where is this coming from? What about the literal thousands and thousands of programs on your OS right now? Or the thousands of systems that power large corporations that predate JavaScript popularity? Sure the language is popular right now, but software development has a much longer history than the last 10 years
    - saagarjha 5y ago
      They’re talking about the web.
- ebruchez 5y ago
  Yes there is, although it's not in widespread use yet. [1] For Scala, there is, separately, Scala Native. [2] Both have ahead-of-time (AOT) compilers that compile down to the target architecture. [1] https://www.graalvm.org/reference-manual/native-image/ https://www.graalvm.org/reference-manual/native-image/ [2] https://github.com/scala-native/scala-native https://github.com/scala-native/scala-native
- rjsw 5y ago
  > Is there a way for me to run a Java program as native machine code? Yes [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Compiler_for_Java https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Compiler_for_Java

Well, let's see. Is there a way for me to run a Java program as native machine code? Or is the code that I'm executing still a runtime that interprets a program?

maratc 5y ago
The vast majority of the programs in the world are written in Javascript, and there's no way for you to "run" them if by that you mean "natively".
- smoldesu 5y ago
  I'm comfortable making that distinction. JavaScript isn't executed like normal, native code, so... I still agree.
  - maratc 5y ago
    When the majority of programs in the world can't be "run" according to your definition, you might want to reconsider your definition.
    - robbedpeter 5y ago
      You're redefining the terms, native and interpreted programs are differentiated by the execution layer, and it has nothing to do with where a majority of programs live.
    - ithkuil 5y ago
      Since we're enjoying a nitpick picnic you can compile JS AOT to Java with rhino and then to native code with GCJ
- andrewxdiamond 5y ago
  > The vast majority of the programs in the world are written in Javascript Where is this coming from? What about the literal thousands and thousands of programs on your OS right now? Or the thousands of systems that power large corporations that predate JavaScript popularity? Sure the language is popular right now, but software development has a much longer history than the last 10 years
  - saagarjha 5y ago
    They’re talking about the web.
ebruchez 5y ago
Yes there is, although it's not in widespread use yet. [1] For Scala, there is, separately, Scala Native. [2] Both have ahead-of-time (AOT) compilers that compile down to the target architecture. [1] https://www.graalvm.org/reference-manual/native-image/ https://www.graalvm.org/reference-manual/native-image/ [2] https://github.com/scala-native/scala-native https://github.com/scala-native/scala-native
rjsw 5y ago
> Is there a way for me to run a Java program as native machine code? Yes [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Compiler_for_Java https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Compiler_for_Java