3 ms·

My teenager plays a game called Celeste (among other pretty difficult games). I grew with 80s and 90s games and Celeste looks like I would not bother (or possib

by vegai_ 5y ago

My teenager plays a game called Celeste (among other pretty difficult games). I grew with 80s and 90s games and Celeste looks like I would not bother (or possibly even be capable) to learn it, but he did over several painful and repetitive hours. So it could be that the children are both ok and broken in new ways, like our generation was.

mikepurvis 5y ago
Celeste is a masterpiece. It's well worth the investment in beating the base game, though I did quickly give up on the significantly-more-difficult B- and C-side content. If you're interested in understanding some of why Celeste is so important to a lot of people but don't feel up for playing it yourself, these two video essays are a great watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QRZyei6dBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QRZyei6dBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSxo9JnB1iI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSxo9JnB1iI
sergiotapia 5y ago
Celeste was a great game, difficult and with finally a well written woman protagonist that is not tokenized. Deserves all the praise it gets!
inputvolch 5y ago
This doesn't counter anything the OP said. No one is claiming the new generations aren't both ok and broken in new ways. Pointing out that you have a teenager that plays a somewhat difficult game doesn't add much to the discussion. Also, the fact that you won't even try the game and yet have made a judgement about how difficult it is says more about you than anything else. And in fact, I don't think anyone would be surprised if that very same teenager looks up YouTube videos about how to beat the most difficult parts, find all the secrets, and so on. Even less like the hard old games, Celeste comes with an assist mode: > Assist Mode allows you to modify the game’s rules to fit your specific needs. This includes options such as slowing the game speed, granting yourself invincibility or infinite stamina, and skipping chapters entirely. Celeste is intended to be a challenging and rewarding experience.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
tjader 5y ago
This is an important point. I don't think it's fair to assume today's kids won't play Prince of Persia because they lack perseverance or because the game is hard. It may just as well be because the game is bad. I played Prince of Persia as a kid, the game is amazing for its time. But game design has evolved in these 30 years, and it shows. When we were kids we didn't have better games to play so we had to persevere with PoP. Nowadays, if you want hard platforming you can play Super Meat Boy or Celeste and fight with your ability to perform the required movements, not with the clunky controls. If you want to explore an unknown world you can play Hollow Knight or Ori and enjoy a much larger and more developed setting. Neither of these games are easy, but they have much more well crafted learning curves for example. PoP simply drops you in a dungeon and you have to die there until you manage to get the timing of the jumps, while Celeste has an "easy" first level and constantly ramps up the difficulty.
machawinka 5y ago
Well, I grew up in the 80s and I do like Celeste quite a bit.

by vegai_ 5y ago

mikepurvis 5y ago

Celeste is a masterpiece. It's well worth the investment in beating the base game, though I did quickly give up on the significantly-more-difficult B- and C-side content. If you're interested in understanding some of why Celeste is so important to a lot of people but don't feel up for playing it yourself, these two video essays are a great watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QRZyei6dBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QRZyei6dBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSxo9JnB1iI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSxo9JnB1iI

sergiotapia 5y ago

Celeste was a great game, difficult and with finally a well written woman protagonist that is not tokenized. Deserves all the praise it gets!

inputvolch 5y ago

This doesn't counter anything the OP said. No one is claiming the new generations aren't both ok and broken in new ways. Pointing out that you have a teenager that plays a somewhat difficult game doesn't add much to the discussion. Also, the fact that you won't even try the game and yet have made a judgement about how difficult it is says more about you than anything else. And in fact, I don't think anyone would be surprised if that very same teenager looks up YouTube videos about how to beat the most difficult parts, find all the secrets, and so on. Even less like the hard old games, Celeste comes with an assist mode: > Assist Mode allows you to modify the game’s rules to fit your specific needs. This includes options such as slowing the game speed, granting yourself invincibility or infinite stamina, and skipping chapters entirely. Celeste is intended to be a challenging and rewarding experience.

deleted 5y ago
[deleted]

tjader 5y ago

This is an important point. I don't think it's fair to assume today's kids won't play Prince of Persia because they lack perseverance or because the game is hard. It may just as well be because the game is bad. I played Prince of Persia as a kid, the game is amazing for its time. But game design has evolved in these 30 years, and it shows. When we were kids we didn't have better games to play so we had to persevere with PoP. Nowadays, if you want hard platforming you can play Super Meat Boy or Celeste and fight with your ability to perform the required movements, not with the clunky controls. If you want to explore an unknown world you can play Hollow Knight or Ori and enjoy a much larger and more developed setting. Neither of these games are easy, but they have much more well crafted learning curves for example. PoP simply drops you in a dungeon and you have to die there until you manage to get the timing of the jumps, while Celeste has an "easy" first level and constantly ramps up the difficulty.

machawinka 5y ago

Well, I grew up in the 80s and I do like Celeste quite a bit.