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>So, with all due respect, don't try to pretend that instant messengers should not be held to a higher standard than our developer tools; where the output is mo

>So, with all due respect, don't try to pretend that instant messengers should not be held to a higher standard than our developer tools; where the output is more important than the tool itself. What are those standards? Look - Discord/Slack/Teams at the end of the day can be accessed via web browser just like normal page. I just checked and Microsoft Chrome with just Discord takes me 300MB of RAM Is it a lot (in general)? no Is it small amount? no. Firefox with 13 opened pages (some of them are just static pages like HN) takes above 1GB. What would be the amount that would satisfy you? 100MB? 50MB? 30MB?

dijit 5y ago
I can tell by the tone of this comment that you're becoming aggravated. Lets try to cool our heads a little, I'm not attacking you or your ideas. The resource usage question is a real one, and nobody is going to give you a "standard" because it depends a lot, it depends what features are requested, it depends on what platforms it will be running. As I stated previously: Discord is by no means the worst offender when it comes to system resources. But how does it compare to IRC? Obviously there are way more features in discord.. and it looks nicer! Surely that's worth something! Yes, it's worth something. It can be interesting to take the reasons that people give for choosing discord (or, slack): Inclusivity. If you listen to certain people then you might believe that connecting to Zulip/Matrix or IRC requires a PhD. But it is less inclusive to force your users to eat up a "good portion" of their machine to talk to you. Discord for me, across its various processes is using about 400MB of ram after I open clean. This goes to about 900MB of ram if I leave it running all day, which I'm fine with because I have 32GB of ram. A person with a "modern household computer" (IE: a school age person who has what their parents would consider a "good enough" computer) might have 8G of ram, I know some people still using 4G of ram because their parents don't think more ram is worth buying a new computer after spending $500 two years ago. Are you comfortable taking nearly 1/4th-1/8th of a persons computer because you like the pretty images of discord? --- I should note, again, that discord is not the worst. But slack used to chew through multiple gigs of memory and pin a CPU core with the gif rendering for me. So while I definitely have a cross to burn about performance, my grievance is not specifically towards discord; but my "problem" would be completely alleviated if I could just use a third party client. But these walled garden companies do not want that.

dijit 5y ago

I can tell by the tone of this comment that you're becoming aggravated. Lets try to cool our heads a little, I'm not attacking you or your ideas. The resource usage question is a real one, and nobody is going to give you a "standard" because it depends a lot, it depends what features are requested, it depends on what platforms it will be running. As I stated previously: Discord is by no means the worst offender when it comes to system resources. But how does it compare to IRC? Obviously there are way more features in discord.. and it looks nicer! Surely that's worth something! Yes, it's worth something. It can be interesting to take the reasons that people give for choosing discord (or, slack): Inclusivity. If you listen to certain people then you might believe that connecting to Zulip/Matrix or IRC requires a PhD. But it is less inclusive to force your users to eat up a "good portion" of their machine to talk to you. Discord for me, across its various processes is using about 400MB of ram after I open clean. This goes to about 900MB of ram if I leave it running all day, which I'm fine with because I have 32GB of ram. A person with a "modern household computer" (IE: a school age person who has what their parents would consider a "good enough" computer) might have 8G of ram, I know some people still using 4G of ram because their parents don't think more ram is worth buying a new computer after spending $500 two years ago. Are you comfortable taking nearly 1/4th-1/8th of a persons computer because you like the pretty images of discord? --- I should note, again, that discord is not the worst. But slack used to chew through multiple gigs of memory and pin a CPU core with the gif rendering for me. So while I definitely have a cross to burn about performance, my grievance is not specifically towards discord; but my "problem" would be completely alleviated if I could just use a third party client. But these walled garden companies do not want that.