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People are saying this is bad because you won't be able to swap phones without relying on the carrier to provision a new eSIM for you. I have the same gut react

by yosito 5y ago

People are saying this is bad because you won't be able to swap phones without relying on the carrier to provision a new eSIM for you. I have the same gut reaction, but with my current physical SIM, I have to install the carrier's app, and there are many phones which don't work with my carrier, despite being unlocked phones and unlocked SIMs. And let's not forget that locking phones and SIMs has been common practice for awhile. So, while I don't have a good feeling about this, I'm not sure that the freedom of choice argument really holds water.

lambada 5y ago
Your mobile network provider demands you to install an app? Thats… unique in my UK based experience. Over here any provider apps are entirely optional and just a convenience AFAIK; and phones you’ve bought outright (or reached the end of the contract period on) are unlocked (or you have the right to have them unlock it). Thats why this is a big change and potnetially bad news for many smaller UK operators who don’t currently have eSIM support baked into phones
tjoff 5y ago
That's highly dependent on where you live though. Never even heard of it in many many years.
andreareina 5y ago
I have literally never had to worry about my phone not taking the SIM out of the box. Put the SIM in, maybe reboot, and I'm off to the races. Is this a USA carrier thing??
- dqv 5y ago
  Not with any carrier I've ever used in the US. Maybe it's a Canada thing.
  - belval 5y ago
    Don't think so, I'm Canadian and used 3 different carrier. Never heard of this.
- xxpor 5y ago
  It's an AT&T thing in the US. They don't allow non-AT&T locked phones (except for iPhones...) to access VoLTE/wifi calling. It's complete bullshit.
JohnWhigham 5y ago
You should be worried because every other phone manufacturer has a nasty habit of copying whatever Apple does.
rk06 5y ago
that's because of carrier companies practices in US. I don't have deal with that bullshit in my country (India)

by yosito 5y ago

lambada 5y ago

Your mobile network provider demands you to install an app? Thats… unique in my UK based experience. Over here any provider apps are entirely optional and just a convenience AFAIK; and phones you’ve bought outright (or reached the end of the contract period on) are unlocked (or you have the right to have them unlock it). Thats why this is a big change and potnetially bad news for many smaller UK operators who don’t currently have eSIM support baked into phones

tjoff 5y ago

That's highly dependent on where you live though. Never even heard of it in many many years.

andreareina 5y ago

I have literally never had to worry about my phone not taking the SIM out of the box. Put the SIM in, maybe reboot, and I'm off to the races. Is this a USA carrier thing??

dqv 5y ago
Not with any carrier I've ever used in the US. Maybe it's a Canada thing.
- belval 5y ago
  Don't think so, I'm Canadian and used 3 different carrier. Never heard of this.
xxpor 5y ago
It's an AT&T thing in the US. They don't allow non-AT&T locked phones (except for iPhones...) to access VoLTE/wifi calling. It's complete bullshit.

JohnWhigham 5y ago

You should be worried because every other phone manufacturer has a nasty habit of copying whatever Apple does.

rk06 5y ago

that's because of carrier companies practices in US. I don't have deal with that bullshit in my country (India)