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What are the functionalities for a FOSS project that matrix/zulip miss over discord, or over a mailing list for that matter? I'm seriously wondering, because I'

What are the functionalities for a FOSS project that matrix/zulip miss over discord, or over a mailing list for that matter? I'm seriously wondering, because I've not found anything that I would miss. > Mail and mailgroups face a similar UX challenge. Not everyone is willing to endure the pain of learning and using mailgroups and IRC just because they're FOSS. I'm seriously not sure if you are being sarcastic. Learning mailinglists is an obstacle compared to learning discord??

NeutralForest 5y ago
Sure, the UX is guiding you and it's also more in line with what people already know, each channel is a bit like a FB messenger conversation after all. You also get instant feedback since you can see your message on the screen, unlike a mail where it sometimes seems that it's thrown into the void. I think it's not as much a statement about ease of use but rather about comfort and playing into UX tropes everyone is used to now.
- cycomanic 5y ago
  But both Zulip and Matrix work pretty much the same. So it's different to mailinglists (which I still regard as superior compared to chat programs, because of discoverability/searchability), but I don't see the superiority of Discord over Zulip/Matrix/Rocket ... At least not in context of FOSS programs.
  - NeutralForest 5y ago
    This I don't know tbh, it might just be a network effect: everyone is used to Discord so everybody keeps using it. Personally, I like forums for the same reason you like mailing lists.
    - cycomanic 5y ago
      Agree with regards to forums. I think hyperkitty [1] is probably the best of both worlds, i.e. a forum-like webinterface to mailinglists. Not sure why this is not used more often. [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty
      - NeutralForest 5y ago
        Thanks for sharing, I didn't know about that!
- dongping 5y ago
  That's the exact reason I find discord annoying. Instant gratification with its feedback means constant distraction. It might be okay for gaming, but using that for collaboration?
  - NeutralForest 5y ago
    Agreed, a competent Markdown only (with code highlight) messaging system would be better.
Jasper_ 5y ago
> Learning mailinglists is an obstacle compared to learning discord?? I still don't know how to reply to an old discussion started before I joined the mailing list, and I've been using them for 15 years.

NeutralForest 5y ago

Sure, the UX is guiding you and it's also more in line with what people already know, each channel is a bit like a FB messenger conversation after all. You also get instant feedback since you can see your message on the screen, unlike a mail where it sometimes seems that it's thrown into the void. I think it's not as much a statement about ease of use but rather about comfort and playing into UX tropes everyone is used to now.

cycomanic 5y ago
But both Zulip and Matrix work pretty much the same. So it's different to mailinglists (which I still regard as superior compared to chat programs, because of discoverability/searchability), but I don't see the superiority of Discord over Zulip/Matrix/Rocket ... At least not in context of FOSS programs.
- NeutralForest 5y ago
  This I don't know tbh, it might just be a network effect: everyone is used to Discord so everybody keeps using it. Personally, I like forums for the same reason you like mailing lists.
  - cycomanic 5y ago
    Agree with regards to forums. I think hyperkitty [1] is probably the best of both worlds, i.e. a forum-like webinterface to mailinglists. Not sure why this is not used more often. [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty
    - NeutralForest 5y ago
      Thanks for sharing, I didn't know about that!
dongping 5y ago
That's the exact reason I find discord annoying. Instant gratification with its feedback means constant distraction. It might be okay for gaming, but using that for collaboration?
- NeutralForest 5y ago
  Agreed, a competent Markdown only (with code highlight) messaging system would be better.

Jasper_ 5y ago

> Learning mailinglists is an obstacle compared to learning discord?? I still don't know how to reply to an old discussion started before I joined the mailing list, and I've been using them for 15 years.