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Yeah I'm not sure if those are problems that happens often enough to be mentioned, I guess that depends on a user's perspective but you're right, I have a UPS a

Yeah I'm not sure if those are problems that happens often enough to be mentioned, I guess that depends on a user's perspective but you're right, I have a UPS at home, so I solve that easily, for internet I've had a lot of problems in the past, but now I have a FTTH so that never happens, I guess if you have frequent issues with electricity and internet you have bigger issues other than saving IRC channel history :D, but I guess those are solvable with UPS, 4G modem backup connection and there are also some websites that save IRC channels history

masklinn 5y ago
> Yeah I'm not sure if those are problems that happens often enough to be mentioned, I guess that depends on a user's perspective It is, but the the average user's perspective is not that they'll set up an IRC bouncer (which odds are high they don't even know exists) so they can have message permanence and cross-device sharing. Instead they'll say that IRC has no history / offline support (which is, technically, true) and will use discord because it does.
- gerikson 5y ago
  I bit the bullet and set up ZNC for my IRC connections this summer. Even by the standards of open source software, it was a chore, and the web interface is unbelievably clunky. I continued to use irssi in tmux instead. What we learned from the Freenode implosion is that for most IRC users the concept of different networks was entirely alien. IRC was Freenode for those people. It doesn't help that the authentication story for IRC is a bloody mess. In Discord, I have one account and can join any server^Wguild and have a different nick in each (and the nicks support unicode, and emoji). If I want to have different nicks on different channels on an IRC network I need 2 separate logins.
  - mxmilkiib 5y ago
    I tried ZNC a few years ago, but the replaying of chat history, that had already been received and seen, on every connection to the bouncer was frustrating and made it feel like a bad hack. Maybe I missed an option there, but I moved onto Quassel (and Quasseldroid), which was a game changer in ease of use, but I'm not personally a terminal IRC fan so I don't miss that aspect.
    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      It's the same for me, I've used ZNC for a while and I think it being an agnostic IRC bouncer not forcing you toward a protocol and being usable from any IRC client is very big pro, but it also means that it always requires a bit in order to change anything, while quassel might be a bit less portable, even if it has clients for any platform I use (so it's personal), but being able to easily configure the server from the client easily for me was enough to stick with it
      - kuschku 5y ago
        As the lead quasseldroid dev, and a contributor to quassel, it’s awesome hearing these success stories, as over the past months I haven’t heard anything from users. I’m sorry that the new update for quassel and quasseldroid is taking so long :(
        lnxg33k1 5y ago
        Hi, thanks for your efforts, it goes without saying, but I've read that some open-source software users started being rude with maintainers, so maybe it's not needed but I'll say it anyway, I really like your software, or your software is really useful for me, there is a thing I would like to have, but it is something that is given to me for free, so I will just say thank you a lot
codetrotter 5y ago
Also IRC net splits used to happen often enough to be a concern a few years ago when I last used IRC.
- katbyte 5y ago
  And one big one just happened this year: https://ariadne.space/2021/06/14/the-end-of-freenode/ https://ariadne.space/2021/06/14/the-end-of-freenode/
  - chaosite 5y ago
    Freenode imploding was not a netsplit.
  - codetrotter 5y ago
    As sibling commenter said, that's not what I am talking about. Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit netsplit is a disconnection between two servers
ivegotnoaccount 5y ago
Once again, the average user does not have all that. Discord has the advantage, for me as a user, of not having to pay hundreds of dollars simply not to loose messages because my connection go down ~5 minutes a day.

masklinn 5y ago

> Yeah I'm not sure if those are problems that happens often enough to be mentioned, I guess that depends on a user's perspective It is, but the the average user's perspective is not that they'll set up an IRC bouncer (which odds are high they don't even know exists) so they can have message permanence and cross-device sharing. Instead they'll say that IRC has no history / offline support (which is, technically, true) and will use discord because it does.

gerikson 5y ago
I bit the bullet and set up ZNC for my IRC connections this summer. Even by the standards of open source software, it was a chore, and the web interface is unbelievably clunky. I continued to use irssi in tmux instead. What we learned from the Freenode implosion is that for most IRC users the concept of different networks was entirely alien. IRC was Freenode for those people. It doesn't help that the authentication story for IRC is a bloody mess. In Discord, I have one account and can join any server^Wguild and have a different nick in each (and the nicks support unicode, and emoji). If I want to have different nicks on different channels on an IRC network I need 2 separate logins.
- mxmilkiib 5y ago
  I tried ZNC a few years ago, but the replaying of chat history, that had already been received and seen, on every connection to the bouncer was frustrating and made it feel like a bad hack. Maybe I missed an option there, but I moved onto Quassel (and Quasseldroid), which was a game changer in ease of use, but I'm not personally a terminal IRC fan so I don't miss that aspect.
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    It's the same for me, I've used ZNC for a while and I think it being an agnostic IRC bouncer not forcing you toward a protocol and being usable from any IRC client is very big pro, but it also means that it always requires a bit in order to change anything, while quassel might be a bit less portable, even if it has clients for any platform I use (so it's personal), but being able to easily configure the server from the client easily for me was enough to stick with it
    - kuschku 5y ago
      As the lead quasseldroid dev, and a contributor to quassel, it’s awesome hearing these success stories, as over the past months I haven’t heard anything from users. I’m sorry that the new update for quassel and quasseldroid is taking so long :(
      - lnxg33k1 5y ago
        Hi, thanks for your efforts, it goes without saying, but I've read that some open-source software users started being rude with maintainers, so maybe it's not needed but I'll say it anyway, I really like your software, or your software is really useful for me, there is a thing I would like to have, but it is something that is given to me for free, so I will just say thank you a lot

codetrotter 5y ago

Also IRC net splits used to happen often enough to be a concern a few years ago when I last used IRC.

katbyte 5y ago
And one big one just happened this year: https://ariadne.space/2021/06/14/the-end-of-freenode/ https://ariadne.space/2021/06/14/the-end-of-freenode/
- chaosite 5y ago
  Freenode imploding was not a netsplit.
- codetrotter 5y ago
  As sibling commenter said, that's not what I am talking about. Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit netsplit is a disconnection between two servers

ivegotnoaccount 5y ago

Once again, the average user does not have all that. Discord has the advantage, for me as a user, of not having to pay hundreds of dollars simply not to loose messages because my connection go down ~5 minutes a day.