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I have used Discord for some gaming communities and I use IRC for some projects I want to follow, at a certain point I have looked for the channels of projects

I have used Discord for some gaming communities and I use IRC for some projects I want to follow, at a certain point I have looked for the channels of projects I want to follow on Discord and left, as I feel like there are things that used to affect IRC which now affect Discord channels (users looking for warez, stupid battles about which distro is best, battles about DE, users shaming like "Oh only stupid people use XYZ", meanwhile IRC is clean, I'd say IRC is very clean today, I idle every day, and other people are either idle too or having some interesting conversation, so I think Discord and IRC and Slack have good reason to exist for the kind of users they are willing to adopt, like IRC more technical, Slack is where you find corporate clerks, and Discord is for young fanbases?

matheusmoreira 5y ago
Elitism can be a force for good. IRC is great but somewhat impenetrable compared to modern messaging platforms, this acts as a filter. Mailing lists seem to be the most impenetrable, still haven't figured those out.
- zelphirkalt 5y ago
  What is there to figure out? Usually you get some e-mail telling you about new messages on the mailing list. That e-mail usually also contains a short info on how to reply or how to send a new message and perhaps some addresses of sister mailing lists. What you need to do is read the e-mail, use the "Reply" button on your e-mail client and put the mailing list address in CC. If you want to reply to the whole lis, not to a specific person, you click the "Reply List" button instead. All you need to look out for is, what you have as TO and CC, like any with other e-mail, only knowing, that there is a general address for the whole list, in case you want a message to be seen on the list and not have a private conversation with people.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    > What is there to figure out? Plenty. Do I reply to the person or the list? How do I make sure my reply is properly threaded and doesn't show up as a new thread in the list or something? If I'm emailing the list in reply to a post, how does that even work? From my research it seems there is some kind of in-reply-to message identifier that's supposed to be included in the email headers. Does gmail even do that or am I supposed to use mutt and edit my email headers by hand? At that point I gave up because I didn't want to assume things and risk looking stupid.
    - zelphirkalt 5y ago
      > Do I reply to the person or the list? Up to you! If you want to reply to the person only, then you hit "Reply". If you want to reply to the list (so that everyone on the list can see it), you hit "Reply List", if your e-mail client has such a button. If your e-mail client does not, then there is no magic either: Reply to the person in your TO, so that they get the message immediately, and put the list address in CC. No magic. > How do I make sure my reply is properly threaded and doesn't show up as a new thread in the list or something? That is a better question already. I asked myself this before and also asked other people running a mailing list or at least being very active there. There is some kind of message matching algorithm, which looks at the "subject" of your e-mail. It is very reliable to simply put a "Re: " in front of the subject of the message you want to reply to. This is usually done by e-mail clients automatically, if you are using "Reply" buttons and the context is clear for the e-mail client. If the context is not clear to the e-mail client or cannot be clear from my actions in the UI of it, then I copy the title and type "Re: " myself. Never failed me so far. It is really not that complicated and no magic is involved at the usage side of things. Use a proper e-mail client, not some limitted web interface, and you should not have much problems. Gmail does not play into the question of whether it is simple to use mailing lists. It is merely one e-mail service provider of many, and not a specifically good one at that. Lets not make this about gmail. I am using mailing lists almost every day in my e-mail client (Thunderbird). No editing of e-mail headers or anything. Don't over-complicate or overthink things and you will be fine. No one demands of you to edit e-mail headers in plain text.
      - wott 5y ago
        > [headers] There is some kind of message matching algorithm, which looks at the "subject" of your e-mail. There are dedicate headers fields for that purpose, they are set automatically.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

Elitism can be a force for good. IRC is great but somewhat impenetrable compared to modern messaging platforms, this acts as a filter. Mailing lists seem to be the most impenetrable, still haven't figured those out.

zelphirkalt 5y ago
What is there to figure out? Usually you get some e-mail telling you about new messages on the mailing list. That e-mail usually also contains a short info on how to reply or how to send a new message and perhaps some addresses of sister mailing lists. What you need to do is read the e-mail, use the "Reply" button on your e-mail client and put the mailing list address in CC. If you want to reply to the whole lis, not to a specific person, you click the "Reply List" button instead. All you need to look out for is, what you have as TO and CC, like any with other e-mail, only knowing, that there is a general address for the whole list, in case you want a message to be seen on the list and not have a private conversation with people.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  > What is there to figure out? Plenty. Do I reply to the person or the list? How do I make sure my reply is properly threaded and doesn't show up as a new thread in the list or something? If I'm emailing the list in reply to a post, how does that even work? From my research it seems there is some kind of in-reply-to message identifier that's supposed to be included in the email headers. Does gmail even do that or am I supposed to use mutt and edit my email headers by hand? At that point I gave up because I didn't want to assume things and risk looking stupid.
  - zelphirkalt 5y ago
    > Do I reply to the person or the list? Up to you! If you want to reply to the person only, then you hit "Reply". If you want to reply to the list (so that everyone on the list can see it), you hit "Reply List", if your e-mail client has such a button. If your e-mail client does not, then there is no magic either: Reply to the person in your TO, so that they get the message immediately, and put the list address in CC. No magic. > How do I make sure my reply is properly threaded and doesn't show up as a new thread in the list or something? That is a better question already. I asked myself this before and also asked other people running a mailing list or at least being very active there. There is some kind of message matching algorithm, which looks at the "subject" of your e-mail. It is very reliable to simply put a "Re: " in front of the subject of the message you want to reply to. This is usually done by e-mail clients automatically, if you are using "Reply" buttons and the context is clear for the e-mail client. If the context is not clear to the e-mail client or cannot be clear from my actions in the UI of it, then I copy the title and type "Re: " myself. Never failed me so far. It is really not that complicated and no magic is involved at the usage side of things. Use a proper e-mail client, not some limitted web interface, and you should not have much problems. Gmail does not play into the question of whether it is simple to use mailing lists. It is merely one e-mail service provider of many, and not a specifically good one at that. Lets not make this about gmail. I am using mailing lists almost every day in my e-mail client (Thunderbird). No editing of e-mail headers or anything. Don't over-complicate or overthink things and you will be fine. No one demands of you to edit e-mail headers in plain text.
    - wott 5y ago
      > [headers] There is some kind of message matching algorithm, which looks at the "subject" of your e-mail. There are dedicate headers fields for that purpose, they are set automatically.