> Proof that God exists: everyone in the world wakes up with a plate of cheesecake next to them and a note saying "I'm sorry for all the stuff that's messed up.

> Proof that God exists: everyone in the world wakes up with a plate of cheesecake next to them and a note saying "I'm sorry for all the stuff that's messed up. I'm trying my best. -Yahweh" Done. Just an example. You think that would work? I don't think it would. It'd be the talked-about event of the century for sure, but I don't think it would make any difference whatsoever in which people believed in God. Think seriously about it. What would it be like if that actually happened? That and nothing else. If the church still had all the problems it does today. The Bible still had all the problems you perceive. The philosophical arguments against God's existence still apply. He still didn't save your mother/dog/goldfish back in 1998. Just . . . everyone has cheesecake and a note. You'd credit God with having done that? Instead of, say . . . - Some really organized followers of his - Someone who invented a new, let's say, matter/energy conversion technology and wanted to play a prank on the world - Aliens approximately as advanced as Star Trek - Mass delusion (everyone made their own cheesecakes and notes -- maybe it's something in the water?) - Some extradimensional powerful being that nonetheless isn't Yahweh. More like Loki. - Mass hallucination (mind control?) -- it didn't happen but we all think it did. - Proof positive that you are, in fact, a brain in a vat. - Some unexplained phenomenon that, whatever it might be, sure as heck ain't God because of all the problems with that I mean, weren't you the one earlier in this thread telling lotharbot his mystical experiences could be explained by ghosts? You know who would interpret it as evidence for God's existence? People who already believe in him. Miracles are like that. They are just another class of evidence; if the other classes aren't persuasive to you, they won't even rock your boat. There is no such thing as proof in reality. No such thing at all. Philosophers will tell you that you can't prove your mother exists, and they're right. Proof is too high a standard for real things. In the real world, all we have is evidence.