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>There are companies that aren't particularly evil at all, like the ones working on carbon capture tech. Does a company's product or service determine whether

>There are companies that aren't particularly evil at all, like the ones working on carbon capture tech. Does a company's product or service determine whether they're evil or not evil? What if the carbon capture tech company builds something great for the environment, but has dependencies on a supplier that uses exploited labor in the developing world? What if that same carbon capture company has a "significant" wage gap between the average employee and the executive level? It's interesting you pointed out that Facebook is evil, but by default, a carbon capture company couldn't possibly be evil "at all". And that speaks to my point – your definition of evil is based on your set of beliefs, which I'll simply refer to as your politics. It's not necessarily "objective", no matter how hard you believe it is. >The logical conclusion of your comment is that all companies are equally harmful (or that any attempt at distinguishing between them is pointless), which is blatantly untrue. No, that's actually not what I'm saying at all.

smt88 5y ago
> It's interesting you pointed out that Facebook is evil, but by default, a carbon capture company couldn't possibly be evil "at all". The key word I used was "particularly" -- meaning that it doesn't stand out among any evil things a company might do. Nothing in particular about its product is evil. It's essentially an air-cleaning company. > Does a company's product or service determine whether they're evil or not evil? Yes, of course. It isn't the only factor, but it is obviously a factor. > What if the carbon capture tech company builds something great for the environment, but has dependencies on a supplier that uses exploited labor in the developing world? What if that same carbon capture company has a "significant" wage gap between the average employee and the executive level? I think you're getting really stuck on the trivial, hypothetical example I gave. Any company in any industry can be evil. You are absolutely washing away all these shades of gray by saying this discussion isn't productive. All companies are a little bit evil, but there are distinctions that matter. And no one is trying to tell you or anyone else what morals to apply to companies. I'm only taking issue with you wasting the time to tell everyone else here that they're wasting their time. If you're so bogged down by the subjective issues here, fine! Lots of people are. Just move on and don't try to shut other people down.
- ozzythecat 5y ago
  > I think you're getting really stuck on the trivial, hypothetical example I gave. Any company in any industry can be evil. You’re now whitewashing your previous comment instead of standing by it. :) The original topic is, “Are there any good companies anymore?” My response was that any company can be considered good or bad depending on what lens you use, and that applies equally to some of the most prestigious (or formerly prestigious) companies in the world just as it might to companies who aren’t household names. That is a valid response. >Lots of people are. Just move on and don't try to shut other people down. The irony is that you don’t like what I have to say, so you’re actively trying to shut me down. Censoring dissenting opinions because they don’t feed into the narrative you want. :)

smt88 5y ago

> It's interesting you pointed out that Facebook is evil, but by default, a carbon capture company couldn't possibly be evil "at all". The key word I used was "particularly" -- meaning that it doesn't stand out among any evil things a company might do. Nothing in particular about its product is evil. It's essentially an air-cleaning company. > Does a company's product or service determine whether they're evil or not evil? Yes, of course. It isn't the only factor, but it is obviously a factor. > What if the carbon capture tech company builds something great for the environment, but has dependencies on a supplier that uses exploited labor in the developing world? What if that same carbon capture company has a "significant" wage gap between the average employee and the executive level? I think you're getting really stuck on the trivial, hypothetical example I gave. Any company in any industry can be evil. You are absolutely washing away all these shades of gray by saying this discussion isn't productive. All companies are a little bit evil, but there are distinctions that matter. And no one is trying to tell you or anyone else what morals to apply to companies. I'm only taking issue with you wasting the time to tell everyone else here that they're wasting their time. If you're so bogged down by the subjective issues here, fine! Lots of people are. Just move on and don't try to shut other people down.

ozzythecat 5y ago
> I think you're getting really stuck on the trivial, hypothetical example I gave. Any company in any industry can be evil. You’re now whitewashing your previous comment instead of standing by it. :) The original topic is, “Are there any good companies anymore?” My response was that any company can be considered good or bad depending on what lens you use, and that applies equally to some of the most prestigious (or formerly prestigious) companies in the world just as it might to companies who aren’t household names. That is a valid response. >Lots of people are. Just move on and don't try to shut other people down. The irony is that you don’t like what I have to say, so you’re actively trying to shut me down. Censoring dissenting opinions because they don’t feed into the narrative you want. :)