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I think the opposite. Usually a short (sub 2 years) tenure at a company means they're on the chopping block, bonuses didn't come through, refreshers weren't gr

I think the opposite. Usually a short (sub 2 years) tenure at a company means they're on the chopping block, bonuses didn't come through, refreshers weren't granted, stock options didn't continue, etc.

novok 5y ago
Or stock performance has been bad for the past 2 years? Or they got a bad team and its time to move on?
decafninja 5y ago
I mean, I agree, personally. But my encounters in the wild while interviewing, plus comments on Blind, etc. would indicate the wider consensus is that short tenures are preferable to long tenures.
halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
How can you assume that? Especially when people are moving around constantly due to lack of promotions, compensation or recognition. It’s essentially religion at this point to hop every 2 years to “level up”.
- wyclif 5y ago
  Yup. It's common knowledge that in average Big Tech company culture, the easiest way to get a raise, better total comp, or a promotion is to get a new job every 2-3 years. Why would any engineer put himself/herself through a review process to get a measly sub-10% increase when they can get 20%+ by interviewing?
  - decafninja 5y ago
    Speaking as someone who was recently outside of FAANGMULA type companies, but now finally got in... Right now I'm just thankful where I am now. My compensation quadrupled coming from an investment bank. I actually suspect my compensation might actually be a bit lower than my peers at this company or those like it, relatively speaking, but at this point I don't care. Combined with the fact that the work and project are super interesting, I could live with this compensation and title until I retire (in my late 30s now). I'm certainly in no hurry to put myself through leetcoding again, though to cover all my bases I probably ought to follow the principle of "a leetcode a day keeps unemployment at bay" sooner rather than later again.
    - angrais 5y ago
      How do you reconcile that your peers likely earn more than you, and perhaps then, you were underpaid for your (negotiation) skills of the same position?
      - decafninja 5y ago
        I don't imagine the delta is extreme. I know the delta exists because post-hire, my manager implied it, and that he would do his best to close it. Part of it is my lack of negotiation skills as you say (also implied by my boss), and part of it is because my background is coming from an unsexy non-tech company (implied by the internal recruiter). But even if the delta remains, I'm just plain thankful*. The amount I'm earning now is jawdropping for my wife and I. When I was interviewing around, we were half-joking how awesome it would be if I could replicate those stories you see on Blind about people doubling their compensation. That it quadrupled instead is shocking. * Probably not a popular thing to say in tech circles, but my wife and I are Christian, and suffice it to say we are mindblowingly thankful to God for this. I don't endorse prosperity gospel, but I'm now earning more than we know how to utilize. We've committed to using at least some of it for good causes - my first month's salary was given wholesale to a charity trying to rescue/resettle/support Afghan refugees.
        wyclif 5y ago
        I'm astounded that FAANGs would want people who had already done a major, intensive leetcode interview to get in the door and had been working for 2-3 years would be asked to do another similarly-intense interview. I've commented on this before, but it seems as if there's not much trust or standardization in interview processes across the top of the industry. If there were, they wouldn't be asking engineers to grind leetcode again a few years later after already proving their mettle.
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        decafninja 5y ago
vultour 5y ago
Except for the first one these all seem like a good reason for leaving, why would you hold that against someone?
- VirusNewbie 5y ago
  In wouldn’t hold it against them I wouldn’t just assume a short tenure is good thing and I’d want to ask for more info.

novok 5y ago

Or stock performance has been bad for the past 2 years? Or they got a bad team and its time to move on?

decafninja 5y ago

I mean, I agree, personally. But my encounters in the wild while interviewing, plus comments on Blind, etc. would indicate the wider consensus is that short tenures are preferable to long tenures.

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago

How can you assume that? Especially when people are moving around constantly due to lack of promotions, compensation or recognition. It’s essentially religion at this point to hop every 2 years to “level up”.

wyclif 5y ago
Yup. It's common knowledge that in average Big Tech company culture, the easiest way to get a raise, better total comp, or a promotion is to get a new job every 2-3 years. Why would any engineer put himself/herself through a review process to get a measly sub-10% increase when they can get 20%+ by interviewing?
- decafninja 5y ago
  Speaking as someone who was recently outside of FAANGMULA type companies, but now finally got in... Right now I'm just thankful where I am now. My compensation quadrupled coming from an investment bank. I actually suspect my compensation might actually be a bit lower than my peers at this company or those like it, relatively speaking, but at this point I don't care. Combined with the fact that the work and project are super interesting, I could live with this compensation and title until I retire (in my late 30s now). I'm certainly in no hurry to put myself through leetcoding again, though to cover all my bases I probably ought to follow the principle of "a leetcode a day keeps unemployment at bay" sooner rather than later again.
  - angrais 5y ago
    How do you reconcile that your peers likely earn more than you, and perhaps then, you were underpaid for your (negotiation) skills of the same position?
    - decafninja 5y ago
      I don't imagine the delta is extreme. I know the delta exists because post-hire, my manager implied it, and that he would do his best to close it. Part of it is my lack of negotiation skills as you say (also implied by my boss), and part of it is because my background is coming from an unsexy non-tech company (implied by the internal recruiter). But even if the delta remains, I'm just plain thankful*. The amount I'm earning now is jawdropping for my wife and I. When I was interviewing around, we were half-joking how awesome it would be if I could replicate those stories you see on Blind about people doubling their compensation. That it quadrupled instead is shocking. * Probably not a popular thing to say in tech circles, but my wife and I are Christian, and suffice it to say we are mindblowingly thankful to God for this. I don't endorse prosperity gospel, but I'm now earning more than we know how to utilize. We've committed to using at least some of it for good causes - my first month's salary was given wholesale to a charity trying to rescue/resettle/support Afghan refugees.
      - wyclif 5y ago
        I'm astounded that FAANGs would want people who had already done a major, intensive leetcode interview to get in the door and had been working for 2-3 years would be asked to do another similarly-intense interview. I've commented on this before, but it seems as if there's not much trust or standardization in interview processes across the top of the industry. If there were, they wouldn't be asking engineers to grind leetcode again a few years later after already proving their mettle.
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        decafninja 5y ago

vultour 5y ago

Except for the first one these all seem like a good reason for leaving, why would you hold that against someone?

VirusNewbie 5y ago
In wouldn’t hold it against them I wouldn’t just assume a short tenure is good thing and I’d want to ask for more info.