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The point is, for every stupid DRM "solution" you come up with, some technical capable guy will find a way to crack this. Happens since more then 40 years in co

The point is, for every stupid DRM "solution" you come up with, some technical capable guy will find a way to crack this. Happens since more then 40 years in computer sience.

Gigachad 5y ago
Unfortunately DRM is winning. It's failed before because the user could always drop down to a lower level and gain access, but now DRM is baked in to the hardware and OS of the devices people have. Those tricks to disable the secure flag feature do not work if the app uses safety net which can detect a rooted device and is backed up by boot chain attestation and hardware security chips. Sure, for each part there is usually some exploit known, but the whole thing is getting much much harder to the point where if the average user said "How do I screenshot this app" the only real answer is to take a photo of the screen.
- kingcharles 5y ago
  Agree with this. Cracking DRM was difficult and a PITA 20 years ago, but now the blackboxes are using the DRM modules that practically every device ships with it will get to the point where we need to go full "bunnie" Huang on the mobos to extract the keys.
  - unnouinceput 5y ago
    Oaw, you 2 must be young. Remember the wars in end of 80's / beginning of 90's about PPV from satellites and everything was hardware protected? You know who won them? Pirates did. Hardware, software, whatever - if it's made by humans will be unmade by humans as well.
    - kingcharles 5y ago
      Absolutely - that was the point I was making. It'll be harder because we have to go into the hardware rather than the software, but we'll break it. The PPV in the 90s was broken because too few bits were used on the encryption and it became possible to essentially brute force the keys, IIRC.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  Yeah. At this point most computers up for sale actually belong to the manufacturer. The people who buy them have almost no control anymore. We'll never be truly free until we can make our own computers at home just like how we can make our own free software at home.

The point is, for every stupid DRM "solution" you come up with, some technical capable guy will find a way to crack this. Happens since more then 40 years in computer sience.

Gigachad 5y ago

Unfortunately DRM is winning. It's failed before because the user could always drop down to a lower level and gain access, but now DRM is baked in to the hardware and OS of the devices people have. Those tricks to disable the secure flag feature do not work if the app uses safety net which can detect a rooted device and is backed up by boot chain attestation and hardware security chips. Sure, for each part there is usually some exploit known, but the whole thing is getting much much harder to the point where if the average user said "How do I screenshot this app" the only real answer is to take a photo of the screen.

kingcharles 5y ago
Agree with this. Cracking DRM was difficult and a PITA 20 years ago, but now the blackboxes are using the DRM modules that practically every device ships with it will get to the point where we need to go full "bunnie" Huang on the mobos to extract the keys.
- unnouinceput 5y ago
  Oaw, you 2 must be young. Remember the wars in end of 80's / beginning of 90's about PPV from satellites and everything was hardware protected? You know who won them? Pirates did. Hardware, software, whatever - if it's made by humans will be unmade by humans as well.
  - kingcharles 5y ago
    Absolutely - that was the point I was making. It'll be harder because we have to go into the hardware rather than the software, but we'll break it. The PPV in the 90s was broken because too few bits were used on the encryption and it became possible to essentially brute force the keys, IIRC.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
Yeah. At this point most computers up for sale actually belong to the manufacturer. The people who buy them have almost no control anymore. We'll never be truly free until we can make our own computers at home just like how we can make our own free software at home.