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Jesus, honestly? This isn't even funny as a joke. You need to be very ashamed for typing that.

by darthrupert 5y ago

aronpye 5y ago
- woodruffw 5y ago
  "Legality doesn't imply morality" is a trite observation that doesn't on its own justify a comment, much less a tasteless comparison between the Holocaust and a global medical emergency.
  - starfleet_bop 5y ago
    [flagged]
    - woodruffw 5y ago
      As we've amply experienced over the last 18 months, a disease can simultaneously be mild (in perceived short-term illness) for most people and kill and incapacitate millions of people. These are not disjoint conditions for a global pandemic, and mild illness in many is not itself a sufficient condition for ignoring the harm done to millions. And, to be blunt: "I didn't say the word 'Holocaust' when I compared COVID to the efficient cause of the Holocaust" is not a plausible excuse.
    - aronpye 5y ago
      - woodruffw 5y ago
        You replied to the wrong comment. You're also going to need to provide a citation that demonstrates that any harms from quarantines and lockdowns exceed the millions of additional deaths that they've likely prevented. Most reasonable people understand the difference between "sustainability" as a systemic goal (e.g., ensuring that a pension plan is self-supporting and disbursible in perpetuity) and reactive policymaking (e.g., asking people to self-isolate and wear masks until our best science and net outcomes support a change). The latter doesn't need to be "sustainable," because it isn't supposed to be a permanent fixture. It's something we do to "stop the bleeding."
        bena 5y ago
        He did not reply to the wrong comment. He's skirting the site's mechanisms.
        woodruffw 5y ago
        Sorry to take us on a tangent, but what mechanism is that? I'm guessing some kind of cool-down timer?
        bena 5y ago
        The reply link doesn't show immediately on some comments. But you can reply to a previous reply. I would imagine it's to give commenters space to not be as reactive. I'm just curious as to how he hasn't already hit the "you're posting too fast" limit. Regardless, I don't think any of these mechanisms have the effect desired. Because the site has still become what it has become. More and more I'm becoming convinced that there are scales at which we are just incapable of dealing with things.
      - aronpye 5y ago
        > You're also going to need to provide a citation that demonstrates that any harms from quarantines and lockdowns exceed the millions of additional deaths that they've likely prevented. The harm of locking people down and preventing people from working is self-evident. Even if it was effective in dealing with COVID, clearly it isn’t as it is still here, it still violates individual sovereignty and the principle of consent of the governed. Also 2 years on, these policies are no longer a reaction or short-term action. So the issue of sustainability is relevant. We’re in a situation where we either accept cyclical oppressive lockdowns, or just learn to live with it. Vaccination doesn’t really come into it as we don’t have a vaccine, just temporary protections which aren’t even fully effective.
aronpye 5y ago

Jesus, honestly? This isn't even funny as a joke. You need to be very ashamed for typing that.

aronpye 5y ago

woodruffw 5y ago
"Legality doesn't imply morality" is a trite observation that doesn't on its own justify a comment, much less a tasteless comparison between the Holocaust and a global medical emergency.
- starfleet_bop 5y ago
  [flagged]
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    As we've amply experienced over the last 18 months, a disease can simultaneously be mild (in perceived short-term illness) for most people and kill and incapacitate millions of people. These are not disjoint conditions for a global pandemic, and mild illness in many is not itself a sufficient condition for ignoring the harm done to millions. And, to be blunt: "I didn't say the word 'Holocaust' when I compared COVID to the efficient cause of the Holocaust" is not a plausible excuse.
  - aronpye 5y ago
    - woodruffw 5y ago
      You replied to the wrong comment. You're also going to need to provide a citation that demonstrates that any harms from quarantines and lockdowns exceed the millions of additional deaths that they've likely prevented. Most reasonable people understand the difference between "sustainability" as a systemic goal (e.g., ensuring that a pension plan is self-supporting and disbursible in perpetuity) and reactive policymaking (e.g., asking people to self-isolate and wear masks until our best science and net outcomes support a change). The latter doesn't need to be "sustainable," because it isn't supposed to be a permanent fixture. It's something we do to "stop the bleeding."
      - bena 5y ago
        He did not reply to the wrong comment. He's skirting the site's mechanisms.
        woodruffw 5y ago
        Sorry to take us on a tangent, but what mechanism is that? I'm guessing some kind of cool-down timer?
        bena 5y ago
        The reply link doesn't show immediately on some comments. But you can reply to a previous reply. I would imagine it's to give commenters space to not be as reactive. I'm just curious as to how he hasn't already hit the "you're posting too fast" limit. Regardless, I don't think any of these mechanisms have the effect desired. Because the site has still become what it has become. More and more I'm becoming convinced that there are scales at which we are just incapable of dealing with things.
    - aronpye 5y ago
      > You're also going to need to provide a citation that demonstrates that any harms from quarantines and lockdowns exceed the millions of additional deaths that they've likely prevented. The harm of locking people down and preventing people from working is self-evident. Even if it was effective in dealing with COVID, clearly it isn’t as it is still here, it still violates individual sovereignty and the principle of consent of the governed. Also 2 years on, these policies are no longer a reaction or short-term action. So the issue of sustainability is relevant. We’re in a situation where we either accept cyclical oppressive lockdowns, or just learn to live with it. Vaccination doesn’t really come into it as we don’t have a vaccine, just temporary protections which aren’t even fully effective.

aronpye 5y ago