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And there were indeed more of both: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/11/17/overdose-deaths-soar-record-level-amid-pandemic-rise-fentanyl/8629870

And there were indeed more of both: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/11/17/overdose-deaths-soar-record-level-amid-pandemic-rise-fentanyl/8629870002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/11/17/overdo... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-11/teen-suicide-attempts-surged-during-lockdowns-cdc-study-shows https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-11/teen-suic...

woodruffw 5y ago
There were more overdoses, but fewer suicides. Your second link references teen suicide attempts, which are neither representative of the overall suicidal demographic nor reflect actual suicide rates.
- priansh 5y ago
  Suicide rates are tricky since mental health can have long lasting issues and the societal changes from lockdown will have even longer term effects. How do you attribute a suicide 2 years from now to depression that started during COVID? It’s going to be interesting seeing how the psychology field approaches this.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    This is indeed an open question, and it's one we're going to need to address over the expected lifetimes of every single person who's living through COVID. We'll also need to address it for COVID "long-haulers," given that individuals with severely diminished qualities of life are a high-risk suicide group.
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    While that's true, a solid chunk (1/3) of suicides are based on pretty short cycles. That's why preventing a suicide is so valuable - 1/3 people you prevent are no more likely to attempt suicide again than a random person on the street. And that's without any psychological intervention. With therapy, that number gets even higher.
lostlogin 5y ago
Not in New Zealand - our suicide rate went down. https://coronialservices.justice.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Chief-Coroner-releases-annual-suicide-statistics-launches-new-web-tool-with-Ministry-of-Health2.pdf https://coronialservices.justice.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Chie...

woodruffw 5y ago

There were more overdoses, but fewer suicides. Your second link references teen suicide attempts, which are neither representative of the overall suicidal demographic nor reflect actual suicide rates.

priansh 5y ago
Suicide rates are tricky since mental health can have long lasting issues and the societal changes from lockdown will have even longer term effects. How do you attribute a suicide 2 years from now to depression that started during COVID? It’s going to be interesting seeing how the psychology field approaches this.
- woodruffw 5y ago
  This is indeed an open question, and it's one we're going to need to address over the expected lifetimes of every single person who's living through COVID. We'll also need to address it for COVID "long-haulers," given that individuals with severely diminished qualities of life are a high-risk suicide group.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  While that's true, a solid chunk (1/3) of suicides are based on pretty short cycles. That's why preventing a suicide is so valuable - 1/3 people you prevent are no more likely to attempt suicide again than a random person on the street. And that's without any psychological intervention. With therapy, that number gets even higher.

lostlogin 5y ago

Not in New Zealand - our suicide rate went down. https://coronialservices.justice.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Chief-Coroner-releases-annual-suicide-statistics-launches-new-web-tool-with-Ministry-of-Health2.pdf https://coronialservices.justice.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Chie...