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> and even more jarring how much airtime those championing unlocking, unmasking and being antivax are getting here Not everyone agrees "excess deaths" is the u
by umvi 5y ago
> and even more jarring how much airtime those championing unlocking, unmasking and being antivax are getting here
Not everyone agrees "excess deaths" is the ultimate variable society should optimize for at the expense of all other variables.
- meepmorp 5y ago
- lostlogin 5y agoIf election results are to be believed, New Zealanders like the results achieved.
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- tracerbulletx 5y agoWearing a mask and getting a vaccine are not even tradeoffs. The choice is between being willfully obstinate and participating in measures that save lives.
- throwaway55421 5y agoWearing a mask is obviously a massive tradeoff, it's an ongoing "hey, hey, be afraid of me, I might coronise you!" indicator. It makes most people uncomfortable both physically and mentally. Of course, even if it were free, it's essentially pointless because unless you live in China and they actually remain zero covid forever, you're going to repeatedly get coronavirus anyway cause it ain't ever going anywhere. Vaccination is not even in the same league, it's an obvious easy win that gives you a far better chance when (not if) you get it.
- subsection1h 5y ago> It makes most people uncomfortable [...] mentally. Citation needed.
- throwaway55421 5y agoNo, citation wanted. I'm not going to cite the sky being blue, tilt your neck.
- HWR_14 5y agoWearing a mask is all benefit for me. I'm fine with masking in public being a lifetime rule. I like looking out at masked faces, and I like wearing a mask. I have no idea why anyone would find it uncomfortable in any way. And yes, you might corona-ize me. But I'm more afraid that the antimasker idiot will do that than someone wearing a mask.
- throwaway55421 5y agoWell, you are verifiably insane.
- dehrmann 5y ago> I have no idea why anyone would find it uncomfortable in any way. Your first sentence makes me think you're serious. You don't see how a sea of masked faces could be seen as dystopian? Or that it's a sign that "you're not safe," and people want to feel safe?
- HWR_14 5y ago> You don't see how a sea of masked faces could be seen as dystopian? Or that it's a sign that "you're not safe," and people want to feel safe? Not in the slightest, any more than a sea of drivers in seatbelts would feel dystopian or that I'm not safe. (Or a bunch of people in snow gear, if you want a similar aesthetic.) I don't see any dystopian vibe at all, and fail to understand why wearing an article of clothing is dystopian. Do you feel the same way about pants? I think just as many people feel safer with everyone masked up, we've just been less silent throughout the pandemic.
- throwaway55421 5y agoYou should wear a hazmat suit with a helmet in public. I would feel safer, and there would be less pressure on my healthcare service if you fall over. If you don't, you're scaring me.
- chrismcb 5y agoAs a person who is hard of hearing, please don't wear your mask forever. Wearing a mask is not all benefit for everyone. Studies are showing that everyone wearing masks are also stunting the emotional growth of newborns. A cloth mask doesn't do anything, there isnt much benefit. Society as as whole will benefit more of people don't wear masks.
- chrismcb 5y agoWearing a cloth mask does nothing. And taking a vaccine might save your life.
- bena 5y agoNo one is trying to optimize it for. They're using it as a crude barometer for just how bad it is. We know about how many people die on average for any given period. We expect it to be in a range. When it is wildly outside of that range, then there's something going on.