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I don't mean to sound condescending (although I'm sure I will), but your theory about the future has already happened, and collapsed, in other countries: USSR a

I don't mean to sound condescending (although I'm sure I will), but your theory about the future has already happened, and collapsed, in other countries: USSR and China being two prominent recent examples.

hammock 15y ago
If anything, those examples prove that it really could happen.
- silverbax88 15y ago
  Not could. Did. Many times.
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akg_67 15y ago
China didn't collapses, only USSR did. China learnt from USSR collapse and now showing the world how to grow while maintaining control. Chaillete's future seems a possibility. Provide a basic level of necessities but beyond that you will need to earn your way. Isn't that's what Chinese are doing? Whether communism or capitalisms, both extremes are bad as both results in concentration of power in the hands of a few
- silverbax88 15y ago
  China's structure of wealth absolutely did collapse. Now people who were in charge of vast sections of China are no longer in charge, and although still technically communist in spirit, they move farther from it every day.
- crux_ 15y ago
  Further... that's what the article was suggesting, too, although without the totalitarian overtones: "We start by accepting that food and shelter are basic human rights."
mayutana 15y ago
USSR was different where everyone was eligible or provided with the same whereas the poster talks about providing some basic livelihood to all and allowing those who can earn more to continue to earn more and live better.
- ams6110 15y ago
  Except for the ones who were killed off.
- iskander 15y ago
  'where everyone was eligible or provided with the same' Provided with the same...what? Certainly not housing, food, imported goods, freedom to travel, etc... Those all varied dramatically with your station and connections.
rorrr 15y ago
Neither USSR nor China never had 80% of the population on welfare, not even fucking close. USSR didn't have welfare, only pensions that had to be earned.
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hammock 15y ago

If anything, those examples prove that it really could happen.

silverbax88 15y ago
Not could. Did. Many times.

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akg_67 15y ago

China didn't collapses, only USSR did. China learnt from USSR collapse and now showing the world how to grow while maintaining control. Chaillete's future seems a possibility. Provide a basic level of necessities but beyond that you will need to earn your way. Isn't that's what Chinese are doing? Whether communism or capitalisms, both extremes are bad as both results in concentration of power in the hands of a few

silverbax88 15y ago
China's structure of wealth absolutely did collapse. Now people who were in charge of vast sections of China are no longer in charge, and although still technically communist in spirit, they move farther from it every day.
crux_ 15y ago
Further... that's what the article was suggesting, too, although without the totalitarian overtones: "We start by accepting that food and shelter are basic human rights."

mayutana 15y ago

USSR was different where everyone was eligible or provided with the same whereas the poster talks about providing some basic livelihood to all and allowing those who can earn more to continue to earn more and live better.

ams6110 15y ago
Except for the ones who were killed off.
iskander 15y ago
'where everyone was eligible or provided with the same' Provided with the same...what? Certainly not housing, food, imported goods, freedom to travel, etc... Those all varied dramatically with your station and connections.

rorrr 15y ago

Neither USSR nor China never had 80% of the population on welfare, not even fucking close. USSR didn't have welfare, only pensions that had to be earned.

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