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What's stopping them getting a visa if they need one? I don't understand this xenophobia point: post-Brexit, the evil xenophobic Tories changed the visa rules s

by Veen 5y ago

What's stopping them getting a visa if they need one? I don't understand this xenophobia point: post-Brexit, the evil xenophobic Tories changed the visa rules so that 3 million Hong Kong citizens were entitled to live here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53246899 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53246899 In 2020, 715,000 people immigrated to the UK and in 2021 there were 4 million foreign nationals working here. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/articles/measuringmigrationthestorybehindtheheadlines/2021-09-17 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populati... It doesn't sound terribly xenophobic to me.

thorawy88 5y ago
w0de0 5y ago
Good point. Not sure why they invented the EU in the first place. Bunch of unnecessary bother, really.
- Veen 5y ago
  Over half of UK citizens agree with you, although I'm not sure how simply repeating the majority opinion helps with this conversation.
LatteLazy 5y ago
For a lot of EU countries they had no visa processes for UK citizens because no one had needed one for decades. Then there is the difficulty of getting a visa. The expense, the time, the effort, the weird rules. I looked at getting a German visa as I worked there on and off. But I can't because my German is meh. That was no problem for my employers, coworkers or people I knew there. But it is now. That's what I stopping us...
- Veen 5y ago
  So, German visa requirements are somehow the fault of the UK government? Nothing stops the German government from relaxing visa requirements if they choose to.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    Yes, German visa requirements are the fault of the UK government. Because before the stupid fucking UK government made the UK leave the EU, there were no German visa requirements; that's totally caused by stupid fucking Brexit. > Nothing stops the German government from relaxing visa requirements if they choose to. The world would be such a better place if it weren't so that the less people know, the more sure of their supreme knowledge they are. A) Yes, the EU Schengen agreement on internal and external borders stops the German government from relaxing visa requirements. B) You know, the agreement that was one of the main reasons for Brexit, so all those horrible foreigners wouldn't come and take British plumbing (and lorry-driving!) jobs. C) So Britain makes sure the foreigners are really "foreigners" and not "fellow Europeans" who are allowed in as a matter of course any more... But the German government is supposed to make sure Brits are still "fellow Europeans" who are allowed in as a matter of course and not really "foreigners"? Because a few posh British students are so much more important to Germany than a cheap labour force to fix Britain's clogged toilets, clean Britain's dirty floors, and give Britain's elderly their weekly sponge-bath were to Britain? Can't you even hear how preposterously entitled (in addition to uninformed) you sound?
  - LatteLazy 5y ago
    It's the UK governments fault since they choose to impose those requirements on us by brexiting (and not bothering to negotiate anything until a few days before exit day). That's literally the UK governments job. It is not Germanys job to make Brexit work for British citizens.
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  - chunkyguy 5y ago
pydry 5y ago
>the evil xenophobic Tories changed the visa rules so that 3 million Hong Kong citizens were entitled to live here. Most of the tory leaders are ambivalent or even pro immigration - it helps drag down working class wages and push up rents after all. Their apparent lack of willingness to do anything about it was what led to so many voter defections to UKIP/Brexit parties. Their core voting bloc - being led by the nose via the likes of the telegraph and the mail are the ones who really want it stopped.

by Veen 5y ago

thorawy88 5y ago

w0de0 5y ago

Good point. Not sure why they invented the EU in the first place. Bunch of unnecessary bother, really.

Veen 5y ago
Over half of UK citizens agree with you, although I'm not sure how simply repeating the majority opinion helps with this conversation.

LatteLazy 5y ago

For a lot of EU countries they had no visa processes for UK citizens because no one had needed one for decades. Then there is the difficulty of getting a visa. The expense, the time, the effort, the weird rules. I looked at getting a German visa as I worked there on and off. But I can't because my German is meh. That was no problem for my employers, coworkers or people I knew there. But it is now. That's what I stopping us...

Veen 5y ago
So, German visa requirements are somehow the fault of the UK government? Nothing stops the German government from relaxing visa requirements if they choose to.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  Yes, German visa requirements are the fault of the UK government. Because before the stupid fucking UK government made the UK leave the EU, there were no German visa requirements; that's totally caused by stupid fucking Brexit. > Nothing stops the German government from relaxing visa requirements if they choose to. The world would be such a better place if it weren't so that the less people know, the more sure of their supreme knowledge they are. A) Yes, the EU Schengen agreement on internal and external borders stops the German government from relaxing visa requirements. B) You know, the agreement that was one of the main reasons for Brexit, so all those horrible foreigners wouldn't come and take British plumbing (and lorry-driving!) jobs. C) So Britain makes sure the foreigners are really "foreigners" and not "fellow Europeans" who are allowed in as a matter of course any more... But the German government is supposed to make sure Brits are still "fellow Europeans" who are allowed in as a matter of course and not really "foreigners"? Because a few posh British students are so much more important to Germany than a cheap labour force to fix Britain's clogged toilets, clean Britain's dirty floors, and give Britain's elderly their weekly sponge-bath were to Britain? Can't you even hear how preposterously entitled (in addition to uninformed) you sound?
- LatteLazy 5y ago
  It's the UK governments fault since they choose to impose those requirements on us by brexiting (and not bothering to negotiate anything until a few days before exit day). That's literally the UK governments job. It is not Germanys job to make Brexit work for British citizens.
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- chunkyguy 5y ago

pydry 5y ago

>the evil xenophobic Tories changed the visa rules so that 3 million Hong Kong citizens were entitled to live here. Most of the tory leaders are ambivalent or even pro immigration - it helps drag down working class wages and push up rents after all. Their apparent lack of willingness to do anything about it was what led to so many voter defections to UKIP/Brexit parties. Their core voting bloc - being led by the nose via the likes of the telegraph and the mail are the ones who really want it stopped.