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> Imagine being able to use a modern Windows system (officially) that had no bloatware One's feature is another's bloatware. As Joel Spolsky used to say, 80%
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> Imagine being able to use a modern Windows system (officially) that had no bloatware
One's feature is another's bloatware.
As Joel Spolsky used to say, 80% of the people use only 20% of the features, the problem is that each one of those 80% uses a different 20%.
- pjerem 5y agoWindows 10 ships with Candy Crush.
- xxpor 5y agoAnd 95 shipped with solitare.
- danachow 5y agoIt goes back to 3.0 and quite notably did not convey advertising to spend money. It also wasn’t located blatantly in your face in a tiled menu. There’s a very different incentive.
- LeoPanthera 5y agoSolitaire had a secret purpose, it taught people how to use a mouse in a way that they would enjoy, an important consideration when most people had never used a mouse before. Candy Crush teaches you what pay-to-win DLC is.
- ndiddy 5y agoWindows 10 also ships with Solitaire, except it plays a video ad after every game and the only way to remove the ads is by paying for a $10/month "solitaire premium" subscription.
- Brave-Steak 5y ago
- cube00 5y agoWindows 11 ships with TikTok.
- Nextgrid 5y agoI wish this was a troll but I'm pretty sure this is real unfortunately.
- chem83 5y agoYou may or may not have realized that you only reinforced the previous point.
- danachow 5y agoSigh, no it doesn’t. The Spolsky argument was directed mainly about supposed feature creep within applications like Excel and Word. This could apply to the OS level - but it was never used to argue for the inclusion of micropayment shitware. Further countering your argument - minesweeper, solitaire, and paint are no longer included in Windows. If anything had established itself as staple OS accessory “feature” apps those would qualify.
- zamadatix 5y agoEither it applies to the OS level or it doesn't, micropayments in software are something completely orthogonal and irrelevant to what Spolsky and this thread was talking about one way or the other. The counterpoint seems tangental as well. Whether or not something is removed or kept isn't what defines it as a staple feature to a portion of the userbase. Most of the uproar about Windows 11 is things people considered core functionality being remove e.g. local accounts during setup on Home or moving the taskbar away from the bottom of the screen. Also iterations of Solitaire and Paint are still default apps anyways.
- danachow 5y ago> Either it applies to the OS level or it doesn't, micropayments in software are something completely orthogonal and irrelevant to what Spolsky and this thread was talking about one way or the other. You completely miss the point. Candy Crush was never an essential feature of the OS. If removing it will piss off some people such that they have to download it from the App Store, so be it (it is less reasonable to expect people to download individual features into a single app like excel - addons non withstanding). The micropayments comment is not about a feature but pointing out that its inclusion was nothing more than a cynical money grab.