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I don’t agree with the uniforms point. If uniforms are replaced with a student's own clothes they will be bullied relentlessly for not sporting the latest fashi

I don’t agree with the uniforms point. If uniforms are replaced with a student's own clothes they will be bullied relentlessly for not sporting the latest fashion. This happens today because shoes and bags aren’t part of the uniform. Other than the colour requirements. That was a source of bullying for myself and others.

rbanffy 5y ago
> This happens today because shoes and bags aren’t part of the uniform I see that too here in Ireland. Uniforms (and meals) should be included with education. Everyone should have at least all the materials they need. This was one of the ideas behind the OLPC laptop - it was supposed to be a standard tool and end up cheaper than printing and shipping physical books. Didn’t work out, but beget netbooks, chromebooks and other low end laptops, which are kind of great for kids.
dijit 5y ago
I just brought up the uniforms point because: A) It didn't solve the issue, people looked at other signifiers such as jewellery or shoes instead (or if the uniform required "a white polo" then they'd have a name brand polo instead). B) It forced the parent to buy (in some cases) expensive Uniform(s) (because you can't have just 1 and kids grow quickly too). For the second point I was fortunate enough to have really good grades when tested, so I was allowed to go to a more prestigious school that required a tie and blazer. The total cost for everything was more than my Mum received in cash for an entire year. If it wasn't for my granddad stepping in I wouldn't have been able to go to the school on those grounds alone. (EDIT: just so I'm clear, Mum got about 48~ gbp per week but rent was paid directly by the Government)
- kingcharles 5y ago
  What's funny is how niche it got. At my school with uniforms which dictated the type of shoe you had to wear, the "cool" kids would steal these tags off the laces of the shoes in the stores in town. The coolest kids had the most tags hanging off their shoelaces O_O
smegger001 5y ago
People will always find something to use as a status symbol amongst each other and the rich will lord it over the poor. If you give them uniforms they will use something else purses, phones (or lack there of), what brand of cosmetics are used, the price of the car they ride in to school vs the bus, their bicyles price, people will find something. we are nothing but smarter chimps. our basic psychology is tribalistic one with a strong dominance hierarchy. we are constantly looking for anything to put out selves above others and are constantly looking for social signals of dominance.

rbanffy 5y ago

> This happens today because shoes and bags aren’t part of the uniform I see that too here in Ireland. Uniforms (and meals) should be included with education. Everyone should have at least all the materials they need. This was one of the ideas behind the OLPC laptop - it was supposed to be a standard tool and end up cheaper than printing and shipping physical books. Didn’t work out, but beget netbooks, chromebooks and other low end laptops, which are kind of great for kids.

dijit 5y ago

I just brought up the uniforms point because: A) It didn't solve the issue, people looked at other signifiers such as jewellery or shoes instead (or if the uniform required "a white polo" then they'd have a name brand polo instead). B) It forced the parent to buy (in some cases) expensive Uniform(s) (because you can't have just 1 and kids grow quickly too). For the second point I was fortunate enough to have really good grades when tested, so I was allowed to go to a more prestigious school that required a tie and blazer. The total cost for everything was more than my Mum received in cash for an entire year. If it wasn't for my granddad stepping in I wouldn't have been able to go to the school on those grounds alone. (EDIT: just so I'm clear, Mum got about 48~ gbp per week but rent was paid directly by the Government)

kingcharles 5y ago
What's funny is how niche it got. At my school with uniforms which dictated the type of shoe you had to wear, the "cool" kids would steal these tags off the laces of the shoes in the stores in town. The coolest kids had the most tags hanging off their shoelaces O_O

smegger001 5y ago

People will always find something to use as a status symbol amongst each other and the rich will lord it over the poor. If you give them uniforms they will use something else purses, phones (or lack there of), what brand of cosmetics are used, the price of the car they ride in to school vs the bus, their bicyles price, people will find something. we are nothing but smarter chimps. our basic psychology is tribalistic one with a strong dominance hierarchy. we are constantly looking for anything to put out selves above others and are constantly looking for social signals of dominance.