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"I absolutely have said it ... but actually I've never said it"? "This is not a political discussion" when in fact it's about one of the most hot-button politi

by vanusa 5y ago

"I absolutely have said it ... but actually I've never said it"? "This is not a political discussion" when in fact it's about one of the most hot-button political topics ever devised? I'm lost.

borski 5y ago
Privilege as a concept, and acknowledging what privilege one has, is what we’re discussing. The particular phrasing is less important than the idea, and that appears to be the disconnect. Use whatever phrasing you want, and it doesn’t have to be politicized. But when describing an experience, and particularly when trying to provide advice to others to do similarly, or when trying to glean information from your experiences that might be applicable to others… yes, check your privilege to see how said privilege may not apply to others’ lives. That is all. What we’re discussing isn’t, at its core, a “hot-button political topic.” You are making it that.
- anamax 5y ago
  > That is all. What we’re discussing isn’t, at its core, a “hot-button political topic.” You are making it that. The phrase was invented as a political tool. Disagree? Provide cites. I'll start - https://checkyourprivilege.co/ https://checkyourprivilege.co/ , https://www.amazon.com/Check-Your-Privilege-Live-into/dp/0990522334 https://www.amazon.com/Check-Your-Privilege-Live-into/dp/099... , and https://www.amazon.com/Check-Your-Privilege-Lean-discomfort/dp/173523432X https://www.amazon.com/Check-Your-Privilege-Lean-discomfort/... .
- anamax 5y ago
  > But when describing an experience, and particularly when trying to provide advice to others to do similarly, or when trying to glean information from your experiences that might be applicable to others… yes, check your privilege to see how said privilege may not apply to others’ lives. I teach people how to do things and "privilege" doesn't come into it. It is neither necessary nor sufficient. There are always lots of folks with "privilege" yet the only thing that actually matters is whether you can do the work and actually do.
- vanusa 5y ago
  Privilege as a concept, and acknowledging what privilege one has, is what we’re discussing. Actually we were specifically discussing the "check your ..." phrase in current usage, expressed as an imperative. Not privilege as a general concept. And yes, the "phrasing of phrase" is the whole point of the phrase. Along with of course, who is saying it and to whom. Especially when the recipient most likely wasn't asking you to "provide advice" to them in the first place, now were they. BTW here's what seems to be the definitive article on its origin: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/what-the-origin-of-check-your-privilege-tells-us-about-todays-privilege-debates/370795/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/what-th... You are making it that. It wouldn't hurt you to check the button-pushy, "you're the problem" vibe on that statement. If you don't mind a bit of advice.
  - borski 5y ago
    I don’t think we’ll agree here, but point taken at the end - I shouldn’t have said “you are making it that.” Apologies - I was getting a little annoyed.

by vanusa 5y ago

"I absolutely have said it ... but actually I've never said it"? "This is not a political discussion" when in fact it's about one of the most hot-button political topics ever devised? I'm lost.

borski 5y ago

Privilege as a concept, and acknowledging what privilege one has, is what we’re discussing. The particular phrasing is less important than the idea, and that appears to be the disconnect. Use whatever phrasing you want, and it doesn’t have to be politicized. But when describing an experience, and particularly when trying to provide advice to others to do similarly, or when trying to glean information from your experiences that might be applicable to others… yes, check your privilege to see how said privilege may not apply to others’ lives. That is all. What we’re discussing isn’t, at its core, a “hot-button political topic.” You are making it that.

anamax 5y ago
> That is all. What we’re discussing isn’t, at its core, a “hot-button political topic.” You are making it that. The phrase was invented as a political tool. Disagree? Provide cites. I'll start - https://checkyourprivilege.co/ https://checkyourprivilege.co/ , https://www.amazon.com/Check-Your-Privilege-Live-into/dp/0990522334 https://www.amazon.com/Check-Your-Privilege-Live-into/dp/099... , and https://www.amazon.com/Check-Your-Privilege-Lean-discomfort/dp/173523432X https://www.amazon.com/Check-Your-Privilege-Lean-discomfort/... .
anamax 5y ago
> But when describing an experience, and particularly when trying to provide advice to others to do similarly, or when trying to glean information from your experiences that might be applicable to others… yes, check your privilege to see how said privilege may not apply to others’ lives. I teach people how to do things and "privilege" doesn't come into it. It is neither necessary nor sufficient. There are always lots of folks with "privilege" yet the only thing that actually matters is whether you can do the work and actually do.
vanusa 5y ago
Privilege as a concept, and acknowledging what privilege one has, is what we’re discussing. Actually we were specifically discussing the "check your ..." phrase in current usage, expressed as an imperative. Not privilege as a general concept. And yes, the "phrasing of phrase" is the whole point of the phrase. Along with of course, who is saying it and to whom. Especially when the recipient most likely wasn't asking you to "provide advice" to them in the first place, now were they. BTW here's what seems to be the definitive article on its origin: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/what-the-origin-of-check-your-privilege-tells-us-about-todays-privilege-debates/370795/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/what-th... You are making it that. It wouldn't hurt you to check the button-pushy, "you're the problem" vibe on that statement. If you don't mind a bit of advice.
- borski 5y ago
  I don’t think we’ll agree here, but point taken at the end - I shouldn’t have said “you are making it that.” Apologies - I was getting a little annoyed.