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I'm a novice contributor, primarily using StreetComplete and the online editor. From some of what I've read, they've been burned by some imports in the past and

I'm a novice contributor, primarily using StreetComplete and the online editor. From some of what I've read, they've been burned by some imports in the past and are gunshy with mass imports. > Why are we still drawing house by house when many cities offer this data freely? It's not perfect, but there are some AI assistants which make this less tedious. https://mapwith.ai/#13/-18.221/35.1573/0/55b https://mapwith.ai/#13/-18.221/35.1573/0/55b (note: I believe Facebook is running this AI assistant.)

commoner 5y ago
Mapwith.ai is a great tool that lets the server draw the shapes of the buildings and roads, though you still have to fill out the data by hand. The tool is maintained by Facebook, but the front-end[1] is a FOSS fork of OSM's RapiD web editor, and OSM is the type of project that strongly benefits from corporate contributions.[2] [1] https://github.com/facebookincubator/RapiD https://github.com/facebookincubator/RapiD [2] https://joemorrison.substack.com/p/openstreetmap-is-having-a-moment-dcc7eef1bb01 https://joemorrison.substack.com/p/openstreetmap-is-having-a...
- petre 5y ago
  Unsuspecting people using AI generated datasets have ended up freezing to death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R504_Kolyma_Highway#Present https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46vglp6g98
  - commoner 5y ago
    Mapwith.ai works by tracing satellite imagery. No data is added into OSM until a person manually confirms that the road and building outlines match the satellite imagery, adjusting the outlines if necessary. While the Google Maps incident you linked to was tragic, using AI to accelerate road tracing before the outlines are confirmed by a person shouldn't be any worse than having the person trace the outlines without assistance.
    - petre 5y ago
      It makes little difference if the person is on another remote continent. We used IR imagery to trace forests in Africa, but incorrectly routing someone on an abandoned road in -50°C temperatures because "this route is 30 minutes faster" is just irresponsible. Roads through the African jungle can change every few years. That's why one should prefer local mapping resources to AI while navigating.
      - commoner 5y ago
        Yes, local mapping is always preferred over what OSM calls armchair/remote mapping.* Satellite imagery, Mapwith.ai, and other tools like KartaView/Mapillary street imagery are still helpful for mapping areas that you have personally visited. They are optional data sources that you can use and adjust to your needs and observations. I can understand using more caution when mapping hazardous areas and areas that you're unfamiliar with, but there are plenty of other use cases for these tools to accelerate mapping while maintaining accuracy. An available tool doesn't have to be and shouldn't be used in every situation. * https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_mapping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_mapping

commoner 5y ago

Mapwith.ai is a great tool that lets the server draw the shapes of the buildings and roads, though you still have to fill out the data by hand. The tool is maintained by Facebook, but the front-end[1] is a FOSS fork of OSM's RapiD web editor, and OSM is the type of project that strongly benefits from corporate contributions.[2] [1] https://github.com/facebookincubator/RapiD https://github.com/facebookincubator/RapiD [2] https://joemorrison.substack.com/p/openstreetmap-is-having-a-moment-dcc7eef1bb01 https://joemorrison.substack.com/p/openstreetmap-is-having-a...

petre 5y ago
Unsuspecting people using AI generated datasets have ended up freezing to death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R504_Kolyma_Highway#Present https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46vglp6g98
- commoner 5y ago
  Mapwith.ai works by tracing satellite imagery. No data is added into OSM until a person manually confirms that the road and building outlines match the satellite imagery, adjusting the outlines if necessary. While the Google Maps incident you linked to was tragic, using AI to accelerate road tracing before the outlines are confirmed by a person shouldn't be any worse than having the person trace the outlines without assistance.
  - petre 5y ago
    It makes little difference if the person is on another remote continent. We used IR imagery to trace forests in Africa, but incorrectly routing someone on an abandoned road in -50°C temperatures because "this route is 30 minutes faster" is just irresponsible. Roads through the African jungle can change every few years. That's why one should prefer local mapping resources to AI while navigating.
    - commoner 5y ago
      Yes, local mapping is always preferred over what OSM calls armchair/remote mapping.* Satellite imagery, Mapwith.ai, and other tools like KartaView/Mapillary street imagery are still helpful for mapping areas that you have personally visited. They are optional data sources that you can use and adjust to your needs and observations. I can understand using more caution when mapping hazardous areas and areas that you're unfamiliar with, but there are plenty of other use cases for these tools to accelerate mapping while maintaining accuracy. An available tool doesn't have to be and shouldn't be used in every situation. * https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_mapping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_mapping