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https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid It would appear that mass vaccination had a minimal effect on t

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid It would appear that mass vaccination had a minimal effect on the already low case fatality rate. I think it’s getting harder and harder to justify lockdowns and forced masking.

saddlerustle 5y ago
CFR != IFR
- tiahura 5y ago
  Understood. But if the denominator is bigger, then the percentage is smaller.
  - joebiden2024 5y ago
dukeofdoom 5y ago
we should have never lockdown, the idea of locking down people who don't have the disease is beyond stupid. The spread was happening in confined spaces from symptomatic individuals in nursing homes and hospitals.
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  You literally don't even remotely know why lockdowns are in place. It's because the spread would overpopulate hospitals and because of that there would be a lack of beds and ventilators. Also, over occupation means urgent surgeries have to be postponed.
  - chana_masala 5y ago
    Just two years to flatten the curve! Lockdowns are justified with bogus science.
    - chana_masala 5y ago
    - NicoJuicy 5y ago
      No it's not. The current question is if lockdowns are required if the severity is way down. It just takes a while since they want to be sure of data coming in. Just relax ... It will take some weeks/months to confirm, if omicron is mostly harmless.
      - chana_masala 5y ago
        Lockdowns were never required. Quarantine the sick has always been the strategy to contain disease, not quarantine everyone.
        NicoJuicy 5y ago
        Lockdowns are the tool to prevent hospitals to become over crowded... Quarantine the sick and those that came in contact with them is a another measure to prevent the spread, but it's not an effective one when the hospitals are going to be overcrowded or when the healthcare system is about to collapse. Just look at what happened to Italy / New York. This is actually pretty basic stuff, you should already know this after almost 2 years.
        chana_masala 5y ago
        NicoJuicy 5y ago
        So you're claiming the entire world is wrong, but you. Yeah sure, that usually proves to be correct. Lol
- aaomidi 5y ago
  Have you considered that the spread was happening there because of the lockdowns?
  - dukeofdoom 5y ago
    The lockdowns made it worse, I'm convinced of that. Healthy people staying indoors for months, not allowed to go to the gym, gaining weight and damaging their immune system and mental health.
    - NicoJuicy 5y ago
      Lockdown didn't always mean stay inside. Eg. In Belgium you were free to run, walk, sport everywhere outdoors. People bought a lot of homegym machines too. Additionally, the self-claimed strongest man of Belgium just died of delta because he was also in denial out COVID. Yeah, he was in the ICU but wanted to be released since he could handle it... Died within 3 weeks before a fight ( match) Ps. Yes, his wife even said it's not COVID but just his lungs "suddenly".
      - dukeofdoom 5y ago
        My uncle keeps playing the lotto 6/49 because he hears about people winning all the time. He has a hard time grasping how large, a large number is. So one time I found a site, where he could punch in any numbers to check if they ever won before in the decades proceeding. He sat there for an hour checking, getting more and more frustrated, and he couldn't do it. Odds of winning are approximately 1 in 14 million. Population of Belgium 12 million. Strongest man in Belgium one in 12 million. It would take you about half a year to count up to 12 million. And even than, the strongest man was probably a very large man who abused steroids. At that size, size is probably inversely related to life expectancy. So I wouldn't make too much of the apparent risk, based on that one individual.
        NicoJuicy 5y ago
        You're again misunderstanding the core issue. Are you trolling? Just in case, the core issue is that healthy people aren't immune to COVID-19 ( and mostly delta), even if they/you would like to think that. You should really look into the basics of why COVID is dangerous. It's your immune system having a too strong reaction to a new virus and damaging itselves and the lungs severely, even until death.
sharken 5y ago
Rightfully so, in free countries these measures should be used with extreme care. This winter should mark the end of any and all restrictions regarding the Corona virus.
mlyle 5y ago
> It would appear that mass vaccination had a minimal effect on the already low case fatality rate. Why would one focus on any impact on the case fatality rate? A lot of vaccination's benefit is preventing infections and cases in the first place, isn't it? That graph is also misleading, because it's looking at the cumulative case fatality rate, not the fatality rate at a given point in time. That is, it's the ratio between the red and purple lines on this graph. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-deaths-and-cases-covid-19?country=~USA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-deaths-and-cas...

saddlerustle 5y ago

CFR != IFR

tiahura 5y ago
Understood. But if the denominator is bigger, then the percentage is smaller.
- joebiden2024 5y ago

dukeofdoom 5y ago

we should have never lockdown, the idea of locking down people who don't have the disease is beyond stupid. The spread was happening in confined spaces from symptomatic individuals in nursing homes and hospitals.

NicoJuicy 5y ago
You literally don't even remotely know why lockdowns are in place. It's because the spread would overpopulate hospitals and because of that there would be a lack of beds and ventilators. Also, over occupation means urgent surgeries have to be postponed.
- chana_masala 5y ago
  Just two years to flatten the curve! Lockdowns are justified with bogus science.
  - chana_masala 5y ago
  - NicoJuicy 5y ago
    No it's not. The current question is if lockdowns are required if the severity is way down. It just takes a while since they want to be sure of data coming in. Just relax ... It will take some weeks/months to confirm, if omicron is mostly harmless.
    - chana_masala 5y ago
      Lockdowns were never required. Quarantine the sick has always been the strategy to contain disease, not quarantine everyone.
      - NicoJuicy 5y ago
        Lockdowns are the tool to prevent hospitals to become over crowded... Quarantine the sick and those that came in contact with them is a another measure to prevent the spread, but it's not an effective one when the hospitals are going to be overcrowded or when the healthcare system is about to collapse. Just look at what happened to Italy / New York. This is actually pretty basic stuff, you should already know this after almost 2 years.
        chana_masala 5y ago
        NicoJuicy 5y ago
        So you're claiming the entire world is wrong, but you. Yeah sure, that usually proves to be correct. Lol
aaomidi 5y ago
Have you considered that the spread was happening there because of the lockdowns?
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  The lockdowns made it worse, I'm convinced of that. Healthy people staying indoors for months, not allowed to go to the gym, gaining weight and damaging their immune system and mental health.
  - NicoJuicy 5y ago
    Lockdown didn't always mean stay inside. Eg. In Belgium you were free to run, walk, sport everywhere outdoors. People bought a lot of homegym machines too. Additionally, the self-claimed strongest man of Belgium just died of delta because he was also in denial out COVID. Yeah, he was in the ICU but wanted to be released since he could handle it... Died within 3 weeks before a fight ( match) Ps. Yes, his wife even said it's not COVID but just his lungs "suddenly".
    - dukeofdoom 5y ago
      My uncle keeps playing the lotto 6/49 because he hears about people winning all the time. He has a hard time grasping how large, a large number is. So one time I found a site, where he could punch in any numbers to check if they ever won before in the decades proceeding. He sat there for an hour checking, getting more and more frustrated, and he couldn't do it. Odds of winning are approximately 1 in 14 million. Population of Belgium 12 million. Strongest man in Belgium one in 12 million. It would take you about half a year to count up to 12 million. And even than, the strongest man was probably a very large man who abused steroids. At that size, size is probably inversely related to life expectancy. So I wouldn't make too much of the apparent risk, based on that one individual.
      - NicoJuicy 5y ago
        You're again misunderstanding the core issue. Are you trolling? Just in case, the core issue is that healthy people aren't immune to COVID-19 ( and mostly delta), even if they/you would like to think that. You should really look into the basics of why COVID is dangerous. It's your immune system having a too strong reaction to a new virus and damaging itselves and the lungs severely, even until death.

sharken 5y ago

Rightfully so, in free countries these measures should be used with extreme care. This winter should mark the end of any and all restrictions regarding the Corona virus.

mlyle 5y ago

> It would appear that mass vaccination had a minimal effect on the already low case fatality rate. Why would one focus on any impact on the case fatality rate? A lot of vaccination's benefit is preventing infections and cases in the first place, isn't it? That graph is also misleading, because it's looking at the cumulative case fatality rate, not the fatality rate at a given point in time. That is, it's the ratio between the red and purple lines on this graph. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-deaths-and-cases-covid-19?country=~USA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-deaths-and-cas...