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> Undermining or opting out of society: Crypto, neo-reactionism, antiwork, anti-capitalism, even alternets like Gemini to a degree. Most of these exist as nega
by Karrot_Kream 5y ago
> Undermining or opting out of society: Crypto, neo-reactionism, antiwork, anti-capitalism, even alternets like Gemini to a degree.
Most of these exist as negative reactions against existing ideologies and as such aren't really countercultures. Antiwork, anti-capitalism, they only exist because the thing they oppose (c.f. work and capitalism) exist. These cultures only exist as long their opposite cultures exist, no longer. They are just as mimetic as the dominant culture they oppose.
Gemini is a fun one because despite it having lots of people who want to participate in a counterculture, it uses the same infrastructure as the corporate internet they want to oppose.
A genuine counterculture would be orthogonal from the original culture, not the negative of it.
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- krapp 5y ago>A genuine counterculture would be orthogonal from the original culture, not the negative of it. Counterculture always runs contrary to an existing culture, in rejection of its ideals and values, it's right there in the name. I think you're making an argument that counterculture can be just as mimetic as culture, which I might agree with. It's all part of the same cycle of assimilation, transformation, rejection and rediscovery.
- Karrot_Kream 5y ago> I think you're making an argument that counterculture can be just as mimetic as culture, which I might agree with. Fair enough I might be looking for too much in "counterculture".