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No, it's not: https://globalcryospherewatch.org/state_of_cryo/snow/fmi_swe_tracker.jpg https://globalcryospherewatch.org/state_of_cryo/snow/fmi_swe... Northern

No, it's not: https://globalcryospherewatch.org/state_of_cryo/snow/fmi_swe_tracker.jpg https://globalcryospherewatch.org/state_of_cryo/snow/fmi_swe... Northern Hemisphere snow mass is one standard deviation above 1982-2012 average. Anecdotal data points are meaningless in systems as complex and dynamic as weather.

new_realist 5y ago
“excluding mountains” Further, the aggregate for all of North America hardly excludes the possibility of regional snow drought.
AbrahamParangi 5y ago
My personal experience growing up in the northeast is that storms are warmer and wetter than they used to be (maybe that means more snow on net), but with winters on the whole being warmer snow doesn’t accumulate like it used to. The line where snow sticks around for the whole season has been steadily moving north.
- fwsgonzo 5y ago
  Same for me here in northern Norway. The winters are milder, less snowy. It's clear as day to me and the people around me.
it_does_follow 5y ago
What does the total snow mass for the entire Northern Hemisphere have to do with parent's observation (especially since it explicitly excludes mountains, the subject of the parent's point)? It's completely possible that the Northern Hemisphere also has more rainfall then ever before, would that mean that lake Mead isn't drying up right now? I find it a bit hard that you're really posted that information in good faith given it would require an almost willful misunderstanding of what the parent is saying and how hemisphere wide observations completely miss essential regional variation in weather patterns.
gruez 5y ago
>Anecdotal data points are meaningless in systems as complex and dynamic as weather. Exactly. "global warming isn't real because it's still snowing" gets ridiculed (as it rightly should), but I find it appalling that "global warming is real because it snowed really late where I lived" gets a free pass.
- it_does_follow 5y ago
  You really are scared of what's happening aren't you?
  - gruez 5y ago
    Of what? The climate/ecosystems as we know it dramatically changing? Yeah, but not "we're literally going extinct" scared.
- Wiseacre 5y ago
  Climate change is real, not global warming. Weather is now much more extreme due to human actions. "Global warming" does not get a free pass. Please do not spread misinformation.
  - gruez 5y ago
    Please re-read my comment. I'm not denying climate change, only expressing my disapproval of how flawed arguments in favor of climate change gets a free pass.

new_realist 5y ago

“excluding mountains” Further, the aggregate for all of North America hardly excludes the possibility of regional snow drought.

AbrahamParangi 5y ago

My personal experience growing up in the northeast is that storms are warmer and wetter than they used to be (maybe that means more snow on net), but with winters on the whole being warmer snow doesn’t accumulate like it used to. The line where snow sticks around for the whole season has been steadily moving north.

fwsgonzo 5y ago
Same for me here in northern Norway. The winters are milder, less snowy. It's clear as day to me and the people around me.

it_does_follow 5y ago

What does the total snow mass for the entire Northern Hemisphere have to do with parent's observation (especially since it explicitly excludes mountains, the subject of the parent's point)? It's completely possible that the Northern Hemisphere also has more rainfall then ever before, would that mean that lake Mead isn't drying up right now? I find it a bit hard that you're really posted that information in good faith given it would require an almost willful misunderstanding of what the parent is saying and how hemisphere wide observations completely miss essential regional variation in weather patterns.

gruez 5y ago

>Anecdotal data points are meaningless in systems as complex and dynamic as weather. Exactly. "global warming isn't real because it's still snowing" gets ridiculed (as it rightly should), but I find it appalling that "global warming is real because it snowed really late where I lived" gets a free pass.

it_does_follow 5y ago
You really are scared of what's happening aren't you?
- gruez 5y ago
  Of what? The climate/ecosystems as we know it dramatically changing? Yeah, but not "we're literally going extinct" scared.
Wiseacre 5y ago
Climate change is real, not global warming. Weather is now much more extreme due to human actions. "Global warming" does not get a free pass. Please do not spread misinformation.
- gruez 5y ago
  Please re-read my comment. I'm not denying climate change, only expressing my disapproval of how flawed arguments in favor of climate change gets a free pass.