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What I worry about is having this data laundered through a couple of vendors. "How could we know our vendor's vendor was using genetic information in their pro

What I worry about is having this data laundered through a couple of vendors. "How could we know our vendor's vendor was using genetic information in their proprietary risk score?" "How could we know our client's client was using our score for life, health, or auto insurance/employment/lending/etc decisions?" It's a "can't unring a bell" situation and the gaps in the regulations and the incentives for bad behavior are enormous.

andrewxdiamond 5y ago
Because insurance is regulated against this. They can’t just Willy-nilly get data and “scores” from uncontrolled sources.
- emteycz 5y ago
  Mortgages in 2008 were regulated too
  - andrewxdiamond 5y ago
    Subprime mortgages aren’t illegal? Insurers have auditing requirements to prove what goes into the policy calculation. It is impossible to hide illegal data use at any meaningful scale, and no insurance agency is looking to save a buck on a small number of clients. Your comparison is irrelevant.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      Illegal or not, look what happened after 2008. Clearly regulation has failed, so there is no reason to think it won't fail in the case of DNA data.
      - thrashh 5y ago
        There was never regulation to begin with.
        emteycz 5y ago
        I am absolutely sure there is no one who would call mortgages "unregulated" in 2008. That the regulation is insufficient was determined later - and way too late.
- kortilla 5y ago
  Oh sweet summer child. The astute business person will construct a score that happens to correlate with these known genetic defects and then sell it to insurance anyway with the plausible cover correlated source.
  - jjeaff 5y ago
    That really isn't how most health insurance works in the US now. As far as I know, there really is no such think as refusing health insurance to an eligible person. Now other types of insurance like life, home, auto, those are a different story. But regular health insurance just has to accept your application.
- jrumbut 5y ago
  Perhaps health insurance companies can't do this, but I know for absolute certain no one is looking closely enough at every little company's hiring decisions to find out if someone is doing this.

andrewxdiamond 5y ago

Because insurance is regulated against this. They can’t just Willy-nilly get data and “scores” from uncontrolled sources.

emteycz 5y ago
Mortgages in 2008 were regulated too
- andrewxdiamond 5y ago
  Subprime mortgages aren’t illegal? Insurers have auditing requirements to prove what goes into the policy calculation. It is impossible to hide illegal data use at any meaningful scale, and no insurance agency is looking to save a buck on a small number of clients. Your comparison is irrelevant.
  - emteycz 5y ago
    Illegal or not, look what happened after 2008. Clearly regulation has failed, so there is no reason to think it won't fail in the case of DNA data.
    - thrashh 5y ago
      There was never regulation to begin with.
      - emteycz 5y ago
        I am absolutely sure there is no one who would call mortgages "unregulated" in 2008. That the regulation is insufficient was determined later - and way too late.
kortilla 5y ago
Oh sweet summer child. The astute business person will construct a score that happens to correlate with these known genetic defects and then sell it to insurance anyway with the plausible cover correlated source.
- jjeaff 5y ago
  That really isn't how most health insurance works in the US now. As far as I know, there really is no such think as refusing health insurance to an eligible person. Now other types of insurance like life, home, auto, those are a different story. But regular health insurance just has to accept your application.
jrumbut 5y ago
Perhaps health insurance companies can't do this, but I know for absolute certain no one is looking closely enough at every little company's hiring decisions to find out if someone is doing this.