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"To learn more about [anti-memetic counter-culture] my website and be notified when we release new content sign up here." OK. I'm going with Mark Fisher on th

"To learn more about [anti-memetic counter-culture] my website and be notified when we release new content sign up here." OK. I'm going with Mark Fisher on this one. This is absolutely generic and unoriginal cut-and-paste Californian lifestyle advice trying to package itself as something deeper - which is something generic and unoriginal Californian lifestyle advice always does, as part of its own branding™. But it does raise the question: what would a genuine online counter-culture look like? I'm pretty sure going to museums and restaurants and playing golf at off-peak times wouldn't be part of it. But what would?

liaukovv 5y ago
Something like 4chan in the past
turminal 5y ago
> I'm pretty sure going to museums and restaurants and playing golf at off-peak times wouldn't be part of it. Why not?
Nowado 5y ago
That's the point of Fisher and those before him, isn't it? Counter culture gets recuperated. New terrain becomes deterritorialized and reterritorialized. Edge becomes fashionable and popular. Even if we knew what would, would that thing survive getting mentioned on HN?
crocodiletears 5y ago
> But it does raise the question: what would a genuine online counter-culture look like? I can think of: The short-live Boogaloo meme culture The NRX movement Fundamentalist religious communities Note that none of these subcultures are ever likely to be history's protagonists. But they are (or were) arrayed against the dominant culture's contemporary beliefs, narratives, and trends. 100rabbits permacomputing work is worth looking into. There are other pockets out there, typically left-leaning that are too multitudinous, heterogenous, and individually niche to be effectively categorized in a single sentence.
- specialist 5y ago
  Mimetics aside, because I have no idea what anyone's talking about, those are 3 reactionary movements with edgy rebellion branding. Lather, rinse, repeat.
  - crocodiletears 5y ago
    I would argue that neither the Boogaloo movement nor the NRX movement (despite its name) can be considered purely reactionary. The Boogaloo movement is/was composed primarily of hardline libertarians, and right-anarchists The NRX movement makes reference to medieval texts and ancient political thought that has they are separated from by generations. To the extent that either group has cohesive visions for the future, their visions are alien to anything we've seen in the past hundred years. They envision fundamental social, governmental, and economic transformations. Retrograde, but in part only just now enabled by new technologies. They full-throatedly embrace change, but want a different kind of change. They don't fit cleanly into either box. But you don't need to be revolutionary to be counter culture. MAGA was counter culture in 2016. The Amish are counter culture, they're just not cool counter culture, or even necessarily desireable counter culture. They merely existed in opposition to cultural trends that dominant and prestige media outlets were embracing, and inspired their vocal opposition.
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kjkjadksj 5y ago
A blog about growing your own food or making your own necessities instead of ordering more disposable crap like most of the internet would have you do.

liaukovv 5y ago

Something like 4chan in the past

turminal 5y ago

> I'm pretty sure going to museums and restaurants and playing golf at off-peak times wouldn't be part of it. Why not?

Nowado 5y ago

That's the point of Fisher and those before him, isn't it? Counter culture gets recuperated. New terrain becomes deterritorialized and reterritorialized. Edge becomes fashionable and popular. Even if we knew what would, would that thing survive getting mentioned on HN?

crocodiletears 5y ago

> But it does raise the question: what would a genuine online counter-culture look like? I can think of: The short-live Boogaloo meme culture The NRX movement Fundamentalist religious communities Note that none of these subcultures are ever likely to be history's protagonists. But they are (or were) arrayed against the dominant culture's contemporary beliefs, narratives, and trends. 100rabbits permacomputing work is worth looking into. There are other pockets out there, typically left-leaning that are too multitudinous, heterogenous, and individually niche to be effectively categorized in a single sentence.

specialist 5y ago
Mimetics aside, because I have no idea what anyone's talking about, those are 3 reactionary movements with edgy rebellion branding. Lather, rinse, repeat.
- crocodiletears 5y ago
  I would argue that neither the Boogaloo movement nor the NRX movement (despite its name) can be considered purely reactionary. The Boogaloo movement is/was composed primarily of hardline libertarians, and right-anarchists The NRX movement makes reference to medieval texts and ancient political thought that has they are separated from by generations. To the extent that either group has cohesive visions for the future, their visions are alien to anything we've seen in the past hundred years. They envision fundamental social, governmental, and economic transformations. Retrograde, but in part only just now enabled by new technologies. They full-throatedly embrace change, but want a different kind of change. They don't fit cleanly into either box. But you don't need to be revolutionary to be counter culture. MAGA was counter culture in 2016. The Amish are counter culture, they're just not cool counter culture, or even necessarily desireable counter culture. They merely existed in opposition to cultural trends that dominant and prestige media outlets were embracing, and inspired their vocal opposition.
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kjkjadksj 5y ago

A blog about growing your own food or making your own necessities instead of ordering more disposable crap like most of the internet would have you do.