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I'm not sure these are actual problems (other than JS tooling, which I find opaque.) Instagram works just fine for the vast majority of people. It's taken as go

I'm not sure these are actual problems (other than JS tooling, which I find opaque.) Instagram works just fine for the vast majority of people. It's taken as gospel that Javascript frameworks are "bloated" but 1) is this really true; and 2) if true does this really matter if the page loads fast enough? React is only 5.3kB and gives a very simple model for reasoning about code. Making code smaller or faster has a cost. I'll also note that htmx is making a programming language, but they don't seem to understand they are making a programming language, and that usually ends up a disaster. See all the YAML stuff in the devops world.

recursivedoubts 5y ago
Ah, and this is precisely where you make your bloomer: we are not making a programming language. Rather, we are making two programming languages: https://hyperscript.org/ https://hyperscript.org/
feupan 5y ago
React is not only 5.3kb because that’s not the only piece you will need to actually use it. Check out the bundle of CRA for a real-world example. I agree with the general sentiment though. I think the issue is that it’s easy to just import the whole npm registry in a bundle and ship it — and it’s too hard to trim it down. For you a 2MB bundle is ok, but for me it’s taking 30 seconds to open this site and I’m standing here. That’s not ok. Frameworks like Next.js provide a sane base for this; Most others don’t.