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Ask HN: Did YouTube said why they don't allow creators to toggle public dislikes

10 points by MonxK6PY7 5y ago

ironmagma 5y ago
This is YouTube's PR piece to explain away the change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI
- MonxK6PY7 5y ago
  Ahh thanks - their comment below the video 'explains' their pathetic decision: """ This is optional for creators today! But we’ve seen that when creators choose to turn off likes/dislikes on their videos, they can be bullied and harassed for their decision. Ultimately, because it’s YouTube’s responsibility to protect its community and create an inclusive environment where creators (like yourself!) feel safe to express themselves, we’ve decided to make the dislike count private across all videos, so that creators aren’t pressured to make this decision themselves. """ ^^ Loosley translated >> We can't let our paying advertisers get review bombed and we have to ensure we provide them with the most value possible. We also want to phase the use of dislikes out of our algorithm for reccomendations and turn to an exclusively paid promotion model in the future but can't do that surreptitiously without removing the dislike button in advance. #ifeveryreccomendationisanadvertweonlyhavetotellyouonceintheT&C's
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Another loose translation: Because if uploaders got to choose whether or not to show dislikes, they'd end up hidden on videos with a lot of dislikes and shown on videos with hardly any. Our goal is for us to have all the influence over what videos you watch, not the other peons who watch videos on our platform, so we need to make sure that signal isn't available to you.
sschueller 5y ago
It's great, now I can upload all the fake recipe and perpetual motion machines videos I want and now one will be the smarter. /s
robbedpeter 5y ago
To combat brigading, basically. There were automated tools used by people to achieve particular thresholds of dislike counts on videos so as to trigger automated moderation conditions, suppressing content and achieving a temporary shadowbanned, forcing the creator to engage with human moderators to mitigate the damage. They probably found that dealing with such false positives was more expensive than turning off public view of dislikes. The decision reeks of soulless bean counter thinking.

10 points by MonxK6PY7 5y ago

This is YouTube's PR piece to explain away the change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI

MonxK6PY7 5y ago
Ahh thanks - their comment below the video 'explains' their pathetic decision: """ This is optional for creators today! But we’ve seen that when creators choose to turn off likes/dislikes on their videos, they can be bullied and harassed for their decision. Ultimately, because it’s YouTube’s responsibility to protect its community and create an inclusive environment where creators (like yourself!) feel safe to express themselves, we’ve decided to make the dislike count private across all videos, so that creators aren’t pressured to make this decision themselves. """ ^^ Loosley translated >> We can't let our paying advertisers get review bombed and we have to ensure we provide them with the most value possible. We also want to phase the use of dislikes out of our algorithm for reccomendations and turn to an exclusively paid promotion model in the future but can't do that surreptitiously without removing the dislike button in advance. #ifeveryreccomendationisanadvertweonlyhavetotellyouonceintheT&C's
- josephcsible 5y ago
  Another loose translation: Because if uploaders got to choose whether or not to show dislikes, they'd end up hidden on videos with a lot of dislikes and shown on videos with hardly any. Our goal is for us to have all the influence over what videos you watch, not the other peons who watch videos on our platform, so we need to make sure that signal isn't available to you.

sschueller 5y ago

It's great, now I can upload all the fake recipe and perpetual motion machines videos I want and now one will be the smarter. /s

robbedpeter 5y ago

To combat brigading, basically. There were automated tools used by people to achieve particular thresholds of dislike counts on videos so as to trigger automated moderation conditions, suppressing content and achieving a temporary shadowbanned, forcing the creator to engage with human moderators to mitigate the damage. They probably found that dealing with such false positives was more expensive than turning off public view of dislikes. The decision reeks of soulless bean counter thinking.