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Alright, so let's try a few of points to clarify. Do you support any of the following? * Universal healthcare. * 4 or more weeks of paid vacation per year for

Alright, so let's try a few of points to clarify. Do you support any of the following? * Universal healthcare. * 4 or more weeks of paid vacation per year for all full-time employees (and some proportional setup for part-time). * ~6 months of paid (albeit not 100% of ones salary) parental leave per parent, per child. * Subsidized child care to make it affordable for everyone. * Government funded university tuition (student debt is only in the form of upkeep). * Employer/Government funded sick pay (at least 6 months). Because these things and more are what you're missing out on in the US. Year by year. Is it really worth it? What's the point of having a higher salary if it's just consumed by higher rents, healthcare fees etc and no time to actually enjoy the money (vacation)?

anamax 5y ago
> Government funded university tuition (student debt is only in the form of upkeep). And how many people get to go? And who chooses which majors are available? If you have a pulse, you can get into a US college/university.
- cloudfifty 5y ago
  > And how many people get to go? All who qualifies through grades or tests. > And who chooses which majors are available? The universities. > If you have a pulse, you can get into a US college/university. That doesn't seem to be the case, and certainly not without significant student debt.
  - anamax 5y ago
    In other words, you tell people "no, you don't get to go to college/university". The US doesn't do that. And yes, there are free and/or very low-cost colleges in the US. (https://www.sjcc.edu/ https://www.sjcc.edu/ is under $1,500/year.) The fact that some people choose to go to schools that cost and then can't afford what they spent doesn't change that. It is interesting to look at what many of the people complaining about not being able to pay choose to study. Perhaps we should have told them no.
    - cloudfifty 5y ago
      > In other words, you tell people "no, you don't get to go to college/university". Why would you say that? > And yes, there are free and/or very low-cost colleges in the US. (https://www.sjcc.edu/ https://www.sjcc.edu/ is under $1,500/year.) Clearly seem to be a problem of either US-ranking of universities or their general availability. Otherwise this wouldn't be a problem? > It is interesting to look at what many of the people complaining about not being able to pay choose to study. That sounds just like the reactionary whine about non-STEM education.
      - anamax 5y ago
        >> In other words, you tell people "no, you don't get to go to college/university". >Why would you say that? Because you wrote "All who qualifies through grades or tests." That implies that folks who don't qualify don't get to go. > Clearly seem to be a problem of either US-ranking of universities or their general availability. Otherwise this wouldn't be a problem? Or it's mostly a problem for people who find it easy to get press coverage. >> > It is interesting to look at what many of the people complaining about not being able to pay choose to study. > That sounds just like the reactionary whine about non-STEM education. I've nothing against non-STEM education, but I do object to paying a lot for it.
        cloudfifty 5y ago
        > That implies that folks who don't qualify don't get to go Well, yes, of course? Why wouldn't both the uni and students want a threshold to ensure that no one's time is being wasted? But this doesn't mean that people are barred by tuition or crippled by debt when/if they graduate. > Or it's mostly a problem for people who find it easy to get press coverage. Since I'm not from the US I had to google the distinction and from what I can tell a community college main PR is that one may be "transferred" to more prestigious institutions. So it definitely doesn't sound as equivalent as you present it. > I've nothing against non-STEM education, but I do object to paying a lot for it. Luckily any decent society consists of more than smug tech folks like this place.

anamax 5y ago

> Government funded university tuition (student debt is only in the form of upkeep). And how many people get to go? And who chooses which majors are available? If you have a pulse, you can get into a US college/university.

cloudfifty 5y ago
> And how many people get to go? All who qualifies through grades or tests. > And who chooses which majors are available? The universities. > If you have a pulse, you can get into a US college/university. That doesn't seem to be the case, and certainly not without significant student debt.
- anamax 5y ago
  In other words, you tell people "no, you don't get to go to college/university". The US doesn't do that. And yes, there are free and/or very low-cost colleges in the US. (https://www.sjcc.edu/ https://www.sjcc.edu/ is under $1,500/year.) The fact that some people choose to go to schools that cost and then can't afford what they spent doesn't change that. It is interesting to look at what many of the people complaining about not being able to pay choose to study. Perhaps we should have told them no.
  - cloudfifty 5y ago
    > In other words, you tell people "no, you don't get to go to college/university". Why would you say that? > And yes, there are free and/or very low-cost colleges in the US. (https://www.sjcc.edu/ https://www.sjcc.edu/ is under $1,500/year.) Clearly seem to be a problem of either US-ranking of universities or their general availability. Otherwise this wouldn't be a problem? > It is interesting to look at what many of the people complaining about not being able to pay choose to study. That sounds just like the reactionary whine about non-STEM education.
    - anamax 5y ago
      >> In other words, you tell people "no, you don't get to go to college/university". >Why would you say that? Because you wrote "All who qualifies through grades or tests." That implies that folks who don't qualify don't get to go. > Clearly seem to be a problem of either US-ranking of universities or their general availability. Otherwise this wouldn't be a problem? Or it's mostly a problem for people who find it easy to get press coverage. >> > It is interesting to look at what many of the people complaining about not being able to pay choose to study. > That sounds just like the reactionary whine about non-STEM education. I've nothing against non-STEM education, but I do object to paying a lot for it.
      - cloudfifty 5y ago
        > That implies that folks who don't qualify don't get to go Well, yes, of course? Why wouldn't both the uni and students want a threshold to ensure that no one's time is being wasted? But this doesn't mean that people are barred by tuition or crippled by debt when/if they graduate. > Or it's mostly a problem for people who find it easy to get press coverage. Since I'm not from the US I had to google the distinction and from what I can tell a community college main PR is that one may be "transferred" to more prestigious institutions. So it definitely doesn't sound as equivalent as you present it. > I've nothing against non-STEM education, but I do object to paying a lot for it. Luckily any decent society consists of more than smug tech folks like this place.