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> ... if we shared all knowledge with each other and worked towards a common goal ... I believe that will happen before we reach Type 2 at the Kardashev scale.

> ... if we shared all knowledge with each other and worked towards a common goal ... I believe that will happen before we reach Type 2 at the Kardashev scale. The question now is how do we reach Type 1 asap (hopefully within the next 50 years)

sandworm101 5y ago
>> how do we reach Type 1 asap Kardashev is a measurement of energy access/use. So we build lots of new power plants. Everyone starts driving giant vehicles. That should get our energy consumption up enough for Type 1. It's an old scale that doesn't acknowledge that a very advanced civilization may decide not to use all the energy it theoretically could.
- archibaldJ 5y ago
  > ... Everyone starts driving giant vehicles. That should get our energy consumption up enough for Type 1. That sounds like optimizing for KPI to me, in which case we'll be doing it wrong. The only way to arrive there naturally is to have more efficient ways of generating energy (fusion, renewable, etc). > ... advanced civilization may decide not to use all the energy it theoretically could Energy generation & consumption (which are both tied to future prices, etc) always appear to be a game-theoretical optimization at geopolitcal and social-economical scales. Even in the current days (eg gazprom, nato, etc.) When we reach Type 1, we would have greatly reduced the cost of energy (resource-cost and enviromental-impact wise) and global economy will become more intervined and convoluted. The social-cultural implication would be fascinating too. Many existing status quos will crumble as the cost-to-transform skyrockets [1]. (Also: eg perhaps that's when crypto finally makes sense and become stable?) [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28331939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28331939
- kragen 5y ago
  If you use all your energy on Hummers (or commuter tanks?) you won't be able to keep building power plants. You have to invest a lot of your energy produced in building more energy production capacity.

sandworm101 5y ago

>> how do we reach Type 1 asap Kardashev is a measurement of energy access/use. So we build lots of new power plants. Everyone starts driving giant vehicles. That should get our energy consumption up enough for Type 1. It's an old scale that doesn't acknowledge that a very advanced civilization may decide not to use all the energy it theoretically could.

archibaldJ 5y ago
> ... Everyone starts driving giant vehicles. That should get our energy consumption up enough for Type 1. That sounds like optimizing for KPI to me, in which case we'll be doing it wrong. The only way to arrive there naturally is to have more efficient ways of generating energy (fusion, renewable, etc). > ... advanced civilization may decide not to use all the energy it theoretically could Energy generation & consumption (which are both tied to future prices, etc) always appear to be a game-theoretical optimization at geopolitcal and social-economical scales. Even in the current days (eg gazprom, nato, etc.) When we reach Type 1, we would have greatly reduced the cost of energy (resource-cost and enviromental-impact wise) and global economy will become more intervined and convoluted. The social-cultural implication would be fascinating too. Many existing status quos will crumble as the cost-to-transform skyrockets [1]. (Also: eg perhaps that's when crypto finally makes sense and become stable?) [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28331939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28331939
kragen 5y ago
If you use all your energy on Hummers (or commuter tanks?) you won't be able to keep building power plants. You have to invest a lot of your energy produced in building more energy production capacity.