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While it's possibly unfortunate that it's harder for me to work on my Honda, it's nice that it's so reliable I don't have to. From what I've heard Teslas are ki

While it's possibly unfortunate that it's harder for me to work on my Honda, it's nice that it's so reliable I don't have to. From what I've heard Teslas are kind of the worst of both worlds.

josephcsible 5y ago
Can you point to a statistic that says Honda is more reliable than Tesla?
- lordloki 5y ago
  Consumer reports rankings: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-lincoln-the-least/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-th...
- notreallyserio 5y ago
  Sure: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-reliability-model-s-3-x-y-consumer-reports-satisfaction-2021-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-reliability-model-s-3-... (links to the source, but it's behind a pay wall). There's a whole bunch of anecdotes on reddit that should give anyone pause: https://old.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/q8ovdc/how_reliable_are_teslas_actually/ https://old.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/q8ovdc/how_rel... Do you have statistics to the contrary? Even here on HN we have folks that defend Tesla in the face of serious problems like phantom braking while I've never heard of that happening with a Honda. Does it? (Someone here said it wasn't a problem because it "only" happened 7 or 8 times on a road trip, lol.)
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Isn't that Consumer Reports study flawed because it counted every problem as equal, no matter what they were? For example, counting a Tesla with a misaligned body panel just as bad as a Honda that leaves you stranded on the side of the road? And re phantom braking, I don't think it's fair to say only Tesla has this problem, when only Tesla has the feature that the problem occurs with. If you had a Tesla but only used the features that Hondas have, then you'd never experience phantom braking.
    - notreallyserio 5y ago
      I don't know, but I don't know how common it is for any modern car to leave you stranded. I figure every problem that requires a professional to fix should count equally, otherwise, including panel misalignment (which IMO raises concerns about their entire quality process given how easy it is to spot in the factory). A lot of cars have automatic braking, BTW, including many Hondas. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of models have it by now.
      - josephcsible 5y ago
        Tesla phantom braking only happens with Autopilot braking, not automatic emergency braking.
        notreallyserio 5y ago
        Ah, I didn't know they were different braking systems. Weird. But I guess that does change things a bit, there are definitely fewer cars with some form of "autopilot".
    - therouwboat 5y ago
      Atleast their FAQ says all problems are not equal. "Engine major, engine cooling, transmission major, and drive system problems are more likely to take a car out of service and to be more expensive to repair than the other problem areas. Consequently, we weight these areas more heavily in our calculations of model year overall reliability verdict. Problems such as broken trim and in-car electronics have a much smaller weight." https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/consumer-reports-car-reliability-faq-a1099917197/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf...
throwawayboise 5y ago
I've owned two Hondas, and they both had major transmission failures (granted, they occurred at about a quarter-million miles). After that experience, I'd probably lean to Toyota more, although the Toyotas I've owned have been more rust-prone.
- alphabettsy 5y ago
  I had a similar issue with a Honda. Given the mileage that it happened at and that it was otherwise practically flawless I’d buy another no problem since the repair was expensive at ~$3k but the only major repair necessary.

While it's possibly unfortunate that it's harder for me to work on my Honda, it's nice that it's so reliable I don't have to. From what I've heard Teslas are kind of the worst of both worlds.

josephcsible 5y ago

Can you point to a statistic that says Honda is more reliable than Tesla?

lordloki 5y ago
Consumer reports rankings: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-lincoln-the-least/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-th...
notreallyserio 5y ago
Sure: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-reliability-model-s-3-x-y-consumer-reports-satisfaction-2021-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-reliability-model-s-3-... (links to the source, but it's behind a pay wall). There's a whole bunch of anecdotes on reddit that should give anyone pause: https://old.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/q8ovdc/how_reliable_are_teslas_actually/ https://old.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/q8ovdc/how_rel... Do you have statistics to the contrary? Even here on HN we have folks that defend Tesla in the face of serious problems like phantom braking while I've never heard of that happening with a Honda. Does it? (Someone here said it wasn't a problem because it "only" happened 7 or 8 times on a road trip, lol.)
- josephcsible 5y ago
  Isn't that Consumer Reports study flawed because it counted every problem as equal, no matter what they were? For example, counting a Tesla with a misaligned body panel just as bad as a Honda that leaves you stranded on the side of the road? And re phantom braking, I don't think it's fair to say only Tesla has this problem, when only Tesla has the feature that the problem occurs with. If you had a Tesla but only used the features that Hondas have, then you'd never experience phantom braking.
  - notreallyserio 5y ago
    I don't know, but I don't know how common it is for any modern car to leave you stranded. I figure every problem that requires a professional to fix should count equally, otherwise, including panel misalignment (which IMO raises concerns about their entire quality process given how easy it is to spot in the factory). A lot of cars have automatic braking, BTW, including many Hondas. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of models have it by now.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      Tesla phantom braking only happens with Autopilot braking, not automatic emergency braking.
      - notreallyserio 5y ago
        Ah, I didn't know they were different braking systems. Weird. But I guess that does change things a bit, there are definitely fewer cars with some form of "autopilot".
  - therouwboat 5y ago
    Atleast their FAQ says all problems are not equal. "Engine major, engine cooling, transmission major, and drive system problems are more likely to take a car out of service and to be more expensive to repair than the other problem areas. Consequently, we weight these areas more heavily in our calculations of model year overall reliability verdict. Problems such as broken trim and in-car electronics have a much smaller weight." https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/consumer-reports-car-reliability-faq-a1099917197/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf...

throwawayboise 5y ago

I've owned two Hondas, and they both had major transmission failures (granted, they occurred at about a quarter-million miles). After that experience, I'd probably lean to Toyota more, although the Toyotas I've owned have been more rust-prone.

alphabettsy 5y ago
I had a similar issue with a Honda. Given the mileage that it happened at and that it was otherwise practically flawless I’d buy another no problem since the repair was expensive at ~$3k but the only major repair necessary.