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I think the problem is not so much that they won't fix it, which is reasonable, but that they don't give you any alternatives.

by eloff 5y ago

ajross 5y ago
What "alternatives" would you to be given? It's not Tesla's job to fund outfits to make replacement batteries. If no one is making them then no one is making them.
- eloff 5y ago
  To be clear, I mean you can't service your car at a third party location with Tesla.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    You can get some things, but not everything, on Teslas serviced at third party locations. Are there any car companies that make every single part and diagnostic tool available to third parties? If so, which ones?
    - eloff 5y ago
      I'm not sure to be honest, it's a big issue these days that car companies lock third parties or of the computer systems and diagnostics. Right to repair seems fundamental to something as expensive and long lived as a car.
    - gamblor956 5y ago
      Are there any car companies that make every single part and diagnostic tool available to third parties? If so, which ones? Ford, Toyota, GM, etc. Pretty much all non-luxury brands make all part listings and parts available (either directly, or through a designated parts supplier). External companies actually make a lot of the parts for these automakers and you can buy directly from those suppliers if you know the part number, and aftermarket alternatives are available for almost every OEM part. It is possible to rebuild most Ford, Toyota, and GM vehicles with parts acquired through purchase. Some automakers make diagnostic tools available to anyone, but most limit the availability to certified mechanics. However, anyone can attempt to get certification.
      - ajross 5y ago
        Per the question at hand: can you order a main battery pack for a Mach-E or Bolt? Genuine question. I'm pretty sure the answer is "no", but would be interested to find out.
        gamblor956 5y ago
        Yes, through a certified mechanic. Unlike Tesla, the other automakers make sure there is stock on hand for repairs before they release cars, which is part of why they appear to have reduced EV construction capabilities.
        josephcsible 5y ago
        The key phrase there is "certified mechanic". So how is that any different from how Tesla works?
        gamblor956 5y ago
        Anyone can become a certified mechanic for Ford, et al, by passing a test, and earn the right to buy certain parts not available to the public. That simply isn't possible with Tesla. Even Tesla dealerships can't get the parts they need from Tesla in a timely fashion.
dotancohen 5y ago
Neither GM nor Ford give you any alternatives either. For the capitalists out there, "the market" should be giving you the alternatives. And the market delivers, at least in the market where this particular Tesla was originally sold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Q0nNkQTCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Q0nNkQTCo

I think the problem is not so much that they won't fix it, which is reasonable, but that they don't give you any alternatives.

by eloff 5y ago

I think the problem is not so much that they won't fix it, which is reasonable, but that they don't give you any alternatives.

ajross 5y ago

What "alternatives" would you to be given? It's not Tesla's job to fund outfits to make replacement batteries. If no one is making them then no one is making them.

eloff 5y ago
To be clear, I mean you can't service your car at a third party location with Tesla.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  You can get some things, but not everything, on Teslas serviced at third party locations. Are there any car companies that make every single part and diagnostic tool available to third parties? If so, which ones?
  - eloff 5y ago
    I'm not sure to be honest, it's a big issue these days that car companies lock third parties or of the computer systems and diagnostics. Right to repair seems fundamental to something as expensive and long lived as a car.
  - gamblor956 5y ago
    Are there any car companies that make every single part and diagnostic tool available to third parties? If so, which ones? Ford, Toyota, GM, etc. Pretty much all non-luxury brands make all part listings and parts available (either directly, or through a designated parts supplier). External companies actually make a lot of the parts for these automakers and you can buy directly from those suppliers if you know the part number, and aftermarket alternatives are available for almost every OEM part. It is possible to rebuild most Ford, Toyota, and GM vehicles with parts acquired through purchase. Some automakers make diagnostic tools available to anyone, but most limit the availability to certified mechanics. However, anyone can attempt to get certification.
    - ajross 5y ago
      Per the question at hand: can you order a main battery pack for a Mach-E or Bolt? Genuine question. I'm pretty sure the answer is "no", but would be interested to find out.
      - gamblor956 5y ago
        Yes, through a certified mechanic. Unlike Tesla, the other automakers make sure there is stock on hand for repairs before they release cars, which is part of why they appear to have reduced EV construction capabilities.
        josephcsible 5y ago
        The key phrase there is "certified mechanic". So how is that any different from how Tesla works?
        gamblor956 5y ago
        Anyone can become a certified mechanic for Ford, et al, by passing a test, and earn the right to buy certain parts not available to the public. That simply isn't possible with Tesla. Even Tesla dealerships can't get the parts they need from Tesla in a timely fashion.

dotancohen 5y ago

Neither GM nor Ford give you any alternatives either. For the capitalists out there, "the market" should be giving you the alternatives. And the market delivers, at least in the market where this particular Tesla was originally sold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Q0nNkQTCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Q0nNkQTCo