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Seems like perfectly curated marketing. But I do admit I am outraged when a row of stupid fucking scooters blocks my entire running path, when it’s clearly a l

Seems like perfectly curated marketing. But I do admit I am outraged when a row of stupid fucking scooters blocks my entire running path, when it’s clearly a location no one would ever rent a scooter, rather they are there to deliberately block the path for no other purpose than obnoxious exposure of their brand. I’d love for there to be DAOs to combat those scooter companies, say for example by blocking the executives’ front doors, cars, garages, offices with giant billboards or vending machines.

ignoramous 5y ago
> I’d love for there to be DAOs to combat those scooter companies, say for example by blocking the executives’ front doors, cars, garages, offices with giant billboards or vending machines. Interesting. I don't think one can legitimise just about anything with DAOs. But DAOs do represent a form of group think, an in-group, a collective, so that's there too. I wonder if GreenPeace / Amnesty / XR / Anti-FA et al have experimented with DAOs.
- rideontime 5y ago
  You wonder if GreenPeace is getting involved in crypto?
- throwawaycities 5y ago
  Well crowdfunding makes sense, but as a DAO members could use the token to apply their own adverts on the billboards attached to the scooter executives’ houses, cars and offices. Not sure what type of utility those non-profits could build into a token. Still I’m not opposed to it being a traditional non-profit, it might be possible to obtain 501(c)(3) tax exemption as a charity under the purpose of “combating community deterioration.”
  - ignoramous 5y ago
    > ...as a DAO, members could use the token to apply their own adverts on the billboards Ah, gotcha. That's an interesting take. A DAO to govern "retail" activist investors / lobby-groups / think-tank, if you will.
TheAceOfHearts 5y ago
Aggressively move the scooters out of the way: https://youtu.be/ab9TYsIItyM https://youtu.be/ab9TYsIItyM
Symbiote 5y ago
Copenhagen residents became sufficiently outraged that hire scooters were banned from the city centre. https://1www.eltis.org/in-brief/news/e-scooters-allowed-back-copenhagen-although-restrictions https://1www.eltis.org/in-brief/news/e-scooters-allowed-back...
- jventura 5y ago
  Fixed url: https://www.eltis.org/in-brief/news/e-scooters-allowed-back-copenhagen-although-restrictions https://www.eltis.org/in-brief/news/e-scooters-allowed-back-...
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Not really. This 3 year pilothas many restrictions like you can only be parked in one of 240 designated areas. You can't rent in the city core. This is about balancing normal scooter uses advertising
- deleted 5y ago
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SyzygistSix 5y ago
I think most of those scooters were destroyed in quick order in my town. I'm sure a bunch ended up in the river.
dionidium 5y ago
Scooters are great. No scooter every meaningfully impacted my life in a city. Cars, on the other hand. Boy, if you hate scooters laying around just wait until you hear about these things clogging up every road. Drivers leave them on the street over night! Their personal property and they just...leave them parked all over the city. And they're way bigger than scooters. They block the roads. They're loud. They pollute. And they actually kill people! It's crazy! Tens of thousands of people every year! The only reason you're commenting here about how much you hate scooters and not how much you hate cars is that cars were here when you were born, so they look to you like a natural feature of the universe, while scooters are new, so there's a lively debate about them. But there's really no comparison. Cars are the much bigger problem.
- throwawaycities 5y ago
  > if you hate scooters laying around just wait until you hear about these things clogging up every road. I love whataboutism. I’m very fascinated to know how you live in such a fashion that you purchase food and other products that sustain your life that in no way utilize roadways. Or are you just virtue signaling and personally contribute to this road traffic you hate so much and is the real “problem” by purchasing things from the supply chain? Roads are made for cars, so it’s expected cars use them for legal purposes like driving. What wouldn’t be expected is if companies began littering roads with their shit products and marketing which blocked the roadways and put drivers at risk of accidents. If I saw companies creating traffic through illegal littering and marketing that obstructs the roadway, that would bother me. Side walks, running/bike paths are also made for specific purposes, those lawful purposes don’t include companies littering them with their commercial products and marketing.
  - dionidium 5y ago
    As a meta point “whataboutism” is a very stupid concept. We obviously evaluate things by comparison to other things and by their relationship to other related issues. Cars and scooters compete for public space and are directly comparable. If you’re locked in a room with a kitten and a lion and I hear you complaining about the kitten, then it’s not “whataboutism” to explain to you that you’ve got bigger problems. Second, roads predate cars by thousands of years, so, no, they weren’t “made for cars.” Some actual roads existing today predate the cars on them by hundreds of years. Third, the supply chain argument is very lazy and easily refuted. Most of the problematic car usage in my neighborhood has nothing to do with the supply chain. We can get your products delivered without building cities primarily for individual automobile traffic. The most important detail in this discussion is that cars existed when you were born and you were raised in a society where they were normalized. Therefore, you regard them as a natural, unchangeable feature of the universe. Scooters are new, so you expect a lively debate about their use. This is the detail that informs everything about our disagreement.

ignoramous 5y ago

> I’d love for there to be DAOs to combat those scooter companies, say for example by blocking the executives’ front doors, cars, garages, offices with giant billboards or vending machines. Interesting. I don't think one can legitimise just about anything with DAOs. But DAOs do represent a form of group think, an in-group, a collective, so that's there too. I wonder if GreenPeace / Amnesty / XR / Anti-FA et al have experimented with DAOs.

rideontime 5y ago
You wonder if GreenPeace is getting involved in crypto?
throwawaycities 5y ago
Well crowdfunding makes sense, but as a DAO members could use the token to apply their own adverts on the billboards attached to the scooter executives’ houses, cars and offices. Not sure what type of utility those non-profits could build into a token. Still I’m not opposed to it being a traditional non-profit, it might be possible to obtain 501(c)(3) tax exemption as a charity under the purpose of “combating community deterioration.”
- ignoramous 5y ago
  > ...as a DAO, members could use the token to apply their own adverts on the billboards Ah, gotcha. That's an interesting take. A DAO to govern "retail" activist investors / lobby-groups / think-tank, if you will.

TheAceOfHearts 5y ago

Aggressively move the scooters out of the way: https://youtu.be/ab9TYsIItyM https://youtu.be/ab9TYsIItyM

Symbiote 5y ago

Copenhagen residents became sufficiently outraged that hire scooters were banned from the city centre. https://1www.eltis.org/in-brief/news/e-scooters-allowed-back-copenhagen-although-restrictions https://1www.eltis.org/in-brief/news/e-scooters-allowed-back...

jventura 5y ago
Fixed url: https://www.eltis.org/in-brief/news/e-scooters-allowed-back-copenhagen-although-restrictions https://www.eltis.org/in-brief/news/e-scooters-allowed-back-...
ipaddr 5y ago
Not really. This 3 year pilothas many restrictions like you can only be parked in one of 240 designated areas. You can't rent in the city core. This is about balancing normal scooter uses advertising
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SyzygistSix 5y ago

I think most of those scooters were destroyed in quick order in my town. I'm sure a bunch ended up in the river.

dionidium 5y ago

Scooters are great. No scooter every meaningfully impacted my life in a city. Cars, on the other hand. Boy, if you hate scooters laying around just wait until you hear about these things clogging up every road. Drivers leave them on the street over night! Their personal property and they just...leave them parked all over the city. And they're way bigger than scooters. They block the roads. They're loud. They pollute. And they actually kill people! It's crazy! Tens of thousands of people every year! The only reason you're commenting here about how much you hate scooters and not how much you hate cars is that cars were here when you were born, so they look to you like a natural feature of the universe, while scooters are new, so there's a lively debate about them. But there's really no comparison. Cars are the much bigger problem.

throwawaycities 5y ago
> if you hate scooters laying around just wait until you hear about these things clogging up every road. I love whataboutism. I’m very fascinated to know how you live in such a fashion that you purchase food and other products that sustain your life that in no way utilize roadways. Or are you just virtue signaling and personally contribute to this road traffic you hate so much and is the real “problem” by purchasing things from the supply chain? Roads are made for cars, so it’s expected cars use them for legal purposes like driving. What wouldn’t be expected is if companies began littering roads with their shit products and marketing which blocked the roadways and put drivers at risk of accidents. If I saw companies creating traffic through illegal littering and marketing that obstructs the roadway, that would bother me. Side walks, running/bike paths are also made for specific purposes, those lawful purposes don’t include companies littering them with their commercial products and marketing.
- dionidium 5y ago
  As a meta point “whataboutism” is a very stupid concept. We obviously evaluate things by comparison to other things and by their relationship to other related issues. Cars and scooters compete for public space and are directly comparable. If you’re locked in a room with a kitten and a lion and I hear you complaining about the kitten, then it’s not “whataboutism” to explain to you that you’ve got bigger problems. Second, roads predate cars by thousands of years, so, no, they weren’t “made for cars.” Some actual roads existing today predate the cars on them by hundreds of years. Third, the supply chain argument is very lazy and easily refuted. Most of the problematic car usage in my neighborhood has nothing to do with the supply chain. We can get your products delivered without building cities primarily for individual automobile traffic. The most important detail in this discussion is that cars existed when you were born and you were raised in a society where they were normalized. Therefore, you regard them as a natural, unchangeable feature of the universe. Scooters are new, so you expect a lively debate about their use. This is the detail that informs everything about our disagreement.