Right, but those were the motor companies behind that. IE: Concrete, spendable money. Urban planners get very little cred unfortunately. If they were smart --

Right, but those were the motor companies behind that. IE: Concrete, spendable money. Urban planners get very little cred unfortunately. If they were smart -- the urban planners -- they would get all computational and build highly accurate models of the cities they work for that people could just go online and check out. Then planners could create new versions of the real city, testing different ideas and sharing them interactively with the public. Most planners these days seem to just say "mass transit GOOD!" and "cars BAD!", without really any substance behind it. This often doesn't really convince the public of much.