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> A lot of people, and that includes British Black and Asian people,ironically, didnt like the feeling that they were being swamped by people who spoke a differ

by mmarq 5y ago

> A lot of people, and that includes British Black and Asian people,ironically, didnt like the feeling that they were being swamped by people who spoke a different langauge, that were crowding their schools and health service The English school system is an undefinable classist mess, where you either spend a fortune in housing or in school fees or you surrender to your child being practically illiterate. The NHS is a burning barrel of crap, compared to its continental homologues. They are sources of complaints among expats and of morbid curiosity for those living in the continent (I went to the GP with a broken arm, and all they gave me was paracetamol, do you know an Italian doctor in the UK? - random Italian on the NHS). Nobody moves to the UK for its public services and nobody swamps anything. Anybody suggesting that Germans or Frenchmen or Spaniards are flooding the UK (read London zone 1 to 3, for the rest is closer to Ukraine than to Germany) is either ignorant or racist or a combination of the two.

drumhead 5y ago
It wasnt Germans, French or Spanish though was it, it was Romanians, Polish and Bulgarians.
- mmarq 5y ago
  To be honest, I’m kind of fed up with the normalisation of hate against Europeans and, in particular, Eastern Europeans. As if the Britons were some kind of a master race with a God-given prerogative re: ranking nationalities or races. If you have a theory re: why Poles are inferior to Brits, you don’t have to share it with me.
  - drumhead 5y ago
    I dont have any particular axe to grind against foreigners, and there is no normalisation of hate against any particular group in the UK. They have some of the strictest anti discrimination laws in Europe. Im sure if you were say gay or black and living in say Poland or Romania you'd have a much harder time and be discriminated far more against than if you lived in the UK, so the idea that the British alone think they're better than others is wrong isnt it. The racism, homophobia, anti-semitism and islamophobia in Eastern Europe is far worse that the UK, so what does that say about them?
    - theplumber 5y ago
      >> The racism, homophobia, anti-semitism and islamophobia in Eastern Europe is far worse that the UK, so what does that say about them? I think it says that socially(i.e discrimination wise)EE is still a developing region while the UK is degrading. UK was seen as a model for many european countries. I don't think it'a the case anymore and I don't think the anti-immigration story is over in the UK. That being said I can't wait for the UK to lecture Eastern European countries on immigration...imagine that hypocrisy
    - mmarq 5y ago
      You wrote: > It wasnt Germans, French or Spanish though was it, it was Romanians, Polish and Bulgarians. as if this weren’t the result of normalisation of hate against Eastern Europeans. Not that I care much, I’m not Eastern European, but I’d try not to contradict myself in the space of one and a half sentence. > so what does that say about them? That there isn’t any “them”. Your neighbour is your neighbour and doesn’t bear the sins of his fellow countrymen.

by mmarq 5y ago

drumhead 5y ago

It wasnt Germans, French or Spanish though was it, it was Romanians, Polish and Bulgarians.

mmarq 5y ago
To be honest, I’m kind of fed up with the normalisation of hate against Europeans and, in particular, Eastern Europeans. As if the Britons were some kind of a master race with a God-given prerogative re: ranking nationalities or races. If you have a theory re: why Poles are inferior to Brits, you don’t have to share it with me.
- drumhead 5y ago
  I dont have any particular axe to grind against foreigners, and there is no normalisation of hate against any particular group in the UK. They have some of the strictest anti discrimination laws in Europe. Im sure if you were say gay or black and living in say Poland or Romania you'd have a much harder time and be discriminated far more against than if you lived in the UK, so the idea that the British alone think they're better than others is wrong isnt it. The racism, homophobia, anti-semitism and islamophobia in Eastern Europe is far worse that the UK, so what does that say about them?
  - theplumber 5y ago
    >> The racism, homophobia, anti-semitism and islamophobia in Eastern Europe is far worse that the UK, so what does that say about them? I think it says that socially(i.e discrimination wise)EE is still a developing region while the UK is degrading. UK was seen as a model for many european countries. I don't think it'a the case anymore and I don't think the anti-immigration story is over in the UK. That being said I can't wait for the UK to lecture Eastern European countries on immigration...imagine that hypocrisy
  - mmarq 5y ago
    You wrote: > It wasnt Germans, French or Spanish though was it, it was Romanians, Polish and Bulgarians. as if this weren’t the result of normalisation of hate against Eastern Europeans. Not that I care much, I’m not Eastern European, but I’d try not to contradict myself in the space of one and a half sentence. > so what does that say about them? That there isn’t any “them”. Your neighbour is your neighbour and doesn’t bear the sins of his fellow countrymen.