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I think this narrative is biased by your perspective as an enthusiast PC gamer (the PCMasterRace type of person). Oculus selling a console-like, works out of th

I think this narrative is biased by your perspective as an enthusiast PC gamer (the PCMasterRace type of person). Oculus selling a console-like, works out of the box offering makes a lot of sense in pushing VR towards the mainstream. The existence of stuff like AirLink also points to strong demand from PC gamers as well. The only people complaining are the PCMR crowd who either dislike the focus on mainstream users (filthy casuals amirite?) or the fact that it's made by Facebook (somewhat valid, I suppose). The market success of Quest 2 in comparison to Oculus PC-only headsets and the Index+WMR ecosystem makes it pretty clear which is the more appealing option to most people.

VRay 5y ago
yeah, I'm a huge PC Master Race type, and even I'd never recommend to someone to start with PC VR right now. It's a LOT better, but it's not so much better that it's worth paying 3x retail price for a high end GPU right now. If you can stomach forking over all that tracking data with Mark Zuckerberg's promise that he isn't going to use it to get better at hacking your lizard brain, the Quest 2 is an otherwise unambiguously great product. My Index is fantastic, but setting it up is usually a 10+ minute process (dig out and hook up the tracking cubes, get Steam and SteamVR patched and working again, clear a space next to my gaming PC). Meanwhile, last time I had a Quest, I could just put it on and use it in my back yard at night, or clear some space anywhere in the house and use it there. Practically no setup or BS involved.
- chaostheory 5y ago
  Yeah the whole ritual with base stations and wire management gets tiring after a while.
- rosndo 5y ago
  > yeah, I'm a huge PC Master Race type oof Maybe you should consider whether or not it’s a good idea to publicly identify as such? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race It would not be unreasonable to e.g. fire someone for making these sorts of statements. Most people exist outside of your 4chan-adjacent subculture and probably wouldn’t be very understanding of someone identifying themselves as a member of the master race.
  - rusk 5y ago
    Godwins
    - rosndo 5y ago
      I’m not sure why you’d invoke Godwin here, nothing is being compared to the Nazis. Godwin’s law isn’t about mentions of Nazis, but specifically about using them in analogies.
      - rusk 5y ago
        > as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1 GP compares gamers to right wing ideologues. QED
        rosndo 5y ago
        Exactly, no comparisons have been made here. Edit in response to your edit: > GP compares gamers to right wing ideologues. QED It really doesn’t, there’s no suggestion that gamers are similar to right wing ideologues. The comment just points out the fact that a specific group of gamers has decided to borrow Nazi terminology for the name of their group, it does not imply that the gamers and nazis are similar or even somehow comparable.
        rusk 5y ago
        An exact comparison was made between the use of the terms master race in nazi ideology and the naming of a modern technology movement.
        rosndo 5y ago
        It’s not a comparison, simply an observation that the “modern technology movement” has deliberately chosen to borrow Nazis terminology. I’m not comparing them to the Nazis in any way. This is an understandable mistake, Godwin’s law is frequently abused. The man himself has frequently criticised people for abusing his “law” in the way you’re doing now.
numpad0 5y ago
Yeah, I am extremely PCMR biased. I’m aware. I do not mind focus on casual users, in fact I used to shove VR in any context I could. But the moment Facebook announced their current plan, I stopped advocating VR entirely. I don’t suggest possible VR integrations anymore, I don’t go into VR development, I don’t bring up VR compatibility when speccing a PC, I don’t mention use cases in VR for every tangential technologies, I mostly behave as VR was a 3DTV. Who’s still talking about Quest 2 anyway? Q1 sold like hotcakes in Japan, coincidentally where I am from, and Oculus/Facebook was proud of it that they said extra stocks are assigned for Japanese market when Q2 launched - I don’t see them. And that launch happened after the announcement to shut down Oculus accounts and services. I think Q2 will and needs to be extinguished even if it will risk jeopardizing VR as a whole, and that will be possible by PCMRing, and I am sure that is what is happening.

VRay 5y ago

yeah, I'm a huge PC Master Race type, and even I'd never recommend to someone to start with PC VR right now. It's a LOT better, but it's not so much better that it's worth paying 3x retail price for a high end GPU right now. If you can stomach forking over all that tracking data with Mark Zuckerberg's promise that he isn't going to use it to get better at hacking your lizard brain, the Quest 2 is an otherwise unambiguously great product. My Index is fantastic, but setting it up is usually a 10+ minute process (dig out and hook up the tracking cubes, get Steam and SteamVR patched and working again, clear a space next to my gaming PC). Meanwhile, last time I had a Quest, I could just put it on and use it in my back yard at night, or clear some space anywhere in the house and use it there. Practically no setup or BS involved.

chaostheory 5y ago
Yeah the whole ritual with base stations and wire management gets tiring after a while.
rosndo 5y ago
> yeah, I'm a huge PC Master Race type oof Maybe you should consider whether or not it’s a good idea to publicly identify as such? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race It would not be unreasonable to e.g. fire someone for making these sorts of statements. Most people exist outside of your 4chan-adjacent subculture and probably wouldn’t be very understanding of someone identifying themselves as a member of the master race.
- rusk 5y ago
  Godwins
  - rosndo 5y ago
    I’m not sure why you’d invoke Godwin here, nothing is being compared to the Nazis. Godwin’s law isn’t about mentions of Nazis, but specifically about using them in analogies.
    - rusk 5y ago
      > as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1 GP compares gamers to right wing ideologues. QED
      - rosndo 5y ago
        Exactly, no comparisons have been made here. Edit in response to your edit: > GP compares gamers to right wing ideologues. QED It really doesn’t, there’s no suggestion that gamers are similar to right wing ideologues. The comment just points out the fact that a specific group of gamers has decided to borrow Nazi terminology for the name of their group, it does not imply that the gamers and nazis are similar or even somehow comparable.
        rusk 5y ago
        An exact comparison was made between the use of the terms master race in nazi ideology and the naming of a modern technology movement.
        rosndo 5y ago
        It’s not a comparison, simply an observation that the “modern technology movement” has deliberately chosen to borrow Nazis terminology. I’m not comparing them to the Nazis in any way. This is an understandable mistake, Godwin’s law is frequently abused. The man himself has frequently criticised people for abusing his “law” in the way you’re doing now.

numpad0 5y ago

Yeah, I am extremely PCMR biased. I’m aware. I do not mind focus on casual users, in fact I used to shove VR in any context I could. But the moment Facebook announced their current plan, I stopped advocating VR entirely. I don’t suggest possible VR integrations anymore, I don’t go into VR development, I don’t bring up VR compatibility when speccing a PC, I don’t mention use cases in VR for every tangential technologies, I mostly behave as VR was a 3DTV. Who’s still talking about Quest 2 anyway? Q1 sold like hotcakes in Japan, coincidentally where I am from, and Oculus/Facebook was proud of it that they said extra stocks are assigned for Japanese market when Q2 launched - I don’t see them. And that launch happened after the announcement to shut down Oculus accounts and services. I think Q2 will and needs to be extinguished even if it will risk jeopardizing VR as a whole, and that will be possible by PCMRing, and I am sure that is what is happening.