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To truly think that the rule of law in America and China are even remotely close, and that the average citizen is equally treated by the law in each country, is

To truly think that the rule of law in America and China are even remotely close, and that the average citizen is equally treated by the law in each country, is so absurd that you must be living in some sort of politics bubble, or simply have zero idea of how these country’s legal and political systems operate.

pksebben 5y ago
They aren't close; that's not what I was driving at. China's problems and ours are leagues apart in terms of quality. However, we do have a history of: - assassinating and locking up political dissidents (see: Black Panthers. Yippies. Che.) - selling out politics to elite private interests (see: congress) - spying on our own citizens (see: COINTELPRO, snowden leaks et al) It's a different flavor, but don't kid yourself; we suck real bad.
- seibelj 5y ago
  10 out of 10 times would rather be arrested in America and prosecuted in the American legal system than the Chinese one. Here is an episode of TAL where someone describes their experience in Chinese prison https://www.thisamericanlife.org/448/adventure https://www.thisamericanlife.org/448/adventure America is an endless work in progress. But your view on it being some sort of hell hole is so warped I feel very bad for you. The mindset of living like that must be so depressing.
endisneigh 5y ago
I'm curious, have you actually lived in China for an appreciable period of time yourself to come to this conclusion? I don't really have any particular opinion on China either way, China definitely has done some bad stuff, but with regards to statements like: "and that the average citizen is equally treated by the law in each country" I'm curious. Black Americans and White Americans, for example in the United States are treated very differently with regards to sentencing for very similar crimes. Would that contrast be the same as the one you say with Chinese vs. American?
- seibelj 5y ago
  China does not have the rule of law. This applies to all things including property. You can live your entire life in a house and have it seized arbitrarily without recourse. This is such a fundamental difference in life it’s hard to comprehend.

pksebben 5y ago

They aren't close; that's not what I was driving at. China's problems and ours are leagues apart in terms of quality. However, we do have a history of: - assassinating and locking up political dissidents (see: Black Panthers. Yippies. Che.) - selling out politics to elite private interests (see: congress) - spying on our own citizens (see: COINTELPRO, snowden leaks et al) It's a different flavor, but don't kid yourself; we suck real bad.

seibelj 5y ago
10 out of 10 times would rather be arrested in America and prosecuted in the American legal system than the Chinese one. Here is an episode of TAL where someone describes their experience in Chinese prison https://www.thisamericanlife.org/448/adventure https://www.thisamericanlife.org/448/adventure America is an endless work in progress. But your view on it being some sort of hell hole is so warped I feel very bad for you. The mindset of living like that must be so depressing.

endisneigh 5y ago

I'm curious, have you actually lived in China for an appreciable period of time yourself to come to this conclusion? I don't really have any particular opinion on China either way, China definitely has done some bad stuff, but with regards to statements like: "and that the average citizen is equally treated by the law in each country" I'm curious. Black Americans and White Americans, for example in the United States are treated very differently with regards to sentencing for very similar crimes. Would that contrast be the same as the one you say with Chinese vs. American?

seibelj 5y ago
China does not have the rule of law. This applies to all things including property. You can live your entire life in a house and have it seized arbitrarily without recourse. This is such a fundamental difference in life it’s hard to comprehend.