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> That sounds great to me, but I don’t see apartment buildings here in NYC being built with induction cook tops. Very true for the average apartment. Two (hug

> That sounds great to me, but I don’t see apartment buildings here in NYC being built with induction cook tops. Very true for the average apartment. Two (huge) obstacles for induction cooktops: 1) They're still more expensive than a non-induction electric cooktop. Might not be a big deal in a $1 million apartment buildout, but if someone is remodeling a block of apartments that are going to rent out no matter what they contain, the remodelers are going to get the cheaper non-induction equipment. 2) They depend on the type of cookware used. Again, not a big deal if you're a homeowner spending $$$ on a remodel and cookware to go with it. But it is a big deal if you're trying to rent out apartments to people who have cookware and you don't want to get constant calls about the fancy cooktop not working. It's not realistic to expect the average NYC apartment to get fancy induction cooktops. They're just going to get the cheap electric units.

kenneth 5y ago
I now live in Asia, where almost everything built recently is induction. It's wonderful. Hardly an electric garbage stove to be seen anywhere.
Eric_WVGG 5y ago
I don’t “buy” the cookware argument. A cast iron skillet, a pot, and a good saucepan are enough for most folks, can be acquired for under a hundred bucks.
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- axiolite 5y ago
  > A cast iron skillet, a pot, and a good saucepan are enough for most folks, There's a reason 99% of people have non-stick aluminum cookware. Everything else is horrible, and I say that from bitter experience. How often do you scramble eggs on your cast iron skillet? That said... > can be acquired for under a hundred bucks. You can certainly get a small set of non-stick aluminum cookware with induction plates built in for under $100, however, it's not the easiest thing to find in the first place.
  - arghnoname 5y ago
    I hear your argument about the needs of tenants and don’t disagree about your general point. I just wanted to add that I’ve given up entirely on non-stick skillets. The finish inevitably comes off that I probably ate or it loses it’s non-stick properties (presumably from microscopic portions coming off that I probably ate) and I have to bin it. So I actually do cook scrambled eggs (and omelets) in a well seasoned carbon steel pan. I’ve made eggs fried over easy in my cast iron. It requires butter and the pan has to be the right temperature (it sticks more if you start too cold), but it’s doable. It does stick a touch more than non-stick, but it’s not difficult to clean by any measure.
    - awild 5y ago
      I had the same experience as you. Thought I was doing something wrong and went with an expensive coated pan. Still lost its nonstick after a year. Have since changed to uncoated pans from tramontina. It took some time understanding temperatures with the pans as sticking and burning both can be avoided, but are much more apparent with these. I actually asked a salesperson to upsell me their expensive coated pans and the amount of work they laid out was basically the same as my uncoated pans, except that mine will not stop working because some proprietary magic dust isn't working anymore
    - pivo 5y ago
      We’ve been using All Clad non-stick pans (below) heavily for maybe 8 years and they haven’t lost their non-stickiness. We tried many others, including a different kind of All Clad non-stick that didn’t last even a year, we’re very happy with these. https://www.amazon.com/All-Clad-E785S264-Anodized-Nonstick-Dishwasher/dp/B0170TFNXM/ref=sr_1_5?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwqCOBhCdARIsAEPyW9nzLA8sl0kVg5nSLGdr5I4kUS6aiG0PyxQWDt7hJbCHG5Ok7FPU1YEaAgeFEALw_wcB&hvadid=241617972422&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001989&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=11424589371465451996&hvtargid=kwd-384462373350&hydadcr=4702_10064608&keywords=all-clad+non-stick+frying+pan&qid=1640522230&sr=8-5 https://www.amazon.com/All-Clad-E785S264-Anodized-Nonstick-D...
  - Symbiote 5y ago
    Ikea, $60. Or $15 for an even cheaper set. Maybe this is because induction hobs are much more common in Europe. https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/annons-5-piece-cookware-set-glass-stainless-steel-90207402/ https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/annons-5-piece-cookware-set-gla...
- alisonkisk 5y ago
  cheap pans are 3 for $12, 8x as cost effective
londons_explore 5y ago
Induction cookers are expensive today, but they aren't theoretically expensive. One day, they'll be cheaper than resistive heaters.
maccard 5y ago
> They're still more expensive than a non-induction electric cooktop I don't know where to buy cooktops in the US so I can't do a comparison, but on one of the biggest websites in the UK the cheapest induction hob is £105 right now, and the cheapest ceramic hob is £80. > They depend on the type of cookware used. You can buy a pad from amazon for less than $10 that will let you use any cookware on an induction hob. Most cookware _is_ suitable (I bought a new pan before the holidays and even the cheapest non stick pans had a stainless steel layer on the bottom)
- midasuni 5y ago
  While I was waiting for the electrician to add a new circuit for our new induction oven (replacing an aga), we bought a £35 plug in induction hot plate. 80% of our existing pans were induction ready too
  - maccard 5y ago
    It's also important to note that you likely don't need a new circuit if you already have a ceramic electric hob, only if you're installing a new one. I also just did a quick google and in the supermarkets around me, the only pan I could find under £30 that isn't induction compatible is a £10 wok from sainsburys. Everything else had a steel plate.

kenneth 5y ago

I now live in Asia, where almost everything built recently is induction. It's wonderful. Hardly an electric garbage stove to be seen anywhere.

Eric_WVGG 5y ago

I don’t “buy” the cookware argument. A cast iron skillet, a pot, and a good saucepan are enough for most folks, can be acquired for under a hundred bucks.

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axiolite 5y ago
> A cast iron skillet, a pot, and a good saucepan are enough for most folks, There's a reason 99% of people have non-stick aluminum cookware. Everything else is horrible, and I say that from bitter experience. How often do you scramble eggs on your cast iron skillet? That said... > can be acquired for under a hundred bucks. You can certainly get a small set of non-stick aluminum cookware with induction plates built in for under $100, however, it's not the easiest thing to find in the first place.
- arghnoname 5y ago
  I hear your argument about the needs of tenants and don’t disagree about your general point. I just wanted to add that I’ve given up entirely on non-stick skillets. The finish inevitably comes off that I probably ate or it loses it’s non-stick properties (presumably from microscopic portions coming off that I probably ate) and I have to bin it. So I actually do cook scrambled eggs (and omelets) in a well seasoned carbon steel pan. I’ve made eggs fried over easy in my cast iron. It requires butter and the pan has to be the right temperature (it sticks more if you start too cold), but it’s doable. It does stick a touch more than non-stick, but it’s not difficult to clean by any measure.
  - awild 5y ago
    I had the same experience as you. Thought I was doing something wrong and went with an expensive coated pan. Still lost its nonstick after a year. Have since changed to uncoated pans from tramontina. It took some time understanding temperatures with the pans as sticking and burning both can be avoided, but are much more apparent with these. I actually asked a salesperson to upsell me their expensive coated pans and the amount of work they laid out was basically the same as my uncoated pans, except that mine will not stop working because some proprietary magic dust isn't working anymore
  - pivo 5y ago
    We’ve been using All Clad non-stick pans (below) heavily for maybe 8 years and they haven’t lost their non-stickiness. We tried many others, including a different kind of All Clad non-stick that didn’t last even a year, we’re very happy with these. https://www.amazon.com/All-Clad-E785S264-Anodized-Nonstick-Dishwasher/dp/B0170TFNXM/ref=sr_1_5?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwqCOBhCdARIsAEPyW9nzLA8sl0kVg5nSLGdr5I4kUS6aiG0PyxQWDt7hJbCHG5Ok7FPU1YEaAgeFEALw_wcB&hvadid=241617972422&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001989&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=11424589371465451996&hvtargid=kwd-384462373350&hydadcr=4702_10064608&keywords=all-clad+non-stick+frying+pan&qid=1640522230&sr=8-5 https://www.amazon.com/All-Clad-E785S264-Anodized-Nonstick-D...
- Symbiote 5y ago
  Ikea, $60. Or $15 for an even cheaper set. Maybe this is because induction hobs are much more common in Europe. https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/annons-5-piece-cookware-set-glass-stainless-steel-90207402/ https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/annons-5-piece-cookware-set-gla...
alisonkisk 5y ago
cheap pans are 3 for $12, 8x as cost effective

londons_explore 5y ago

Induction cookers are expensive today, but they aren't theoretically expensive. One day, they'll be cheaper than resistive heaters.

maccard 5y ago

> They're still more expensive than a non-induction electric cooktop I don't know where to buy cooktops in the US so I can't do a comparison, but on one of the biggest websites in the UK the cheapest induction hob is £105 right now, and the cheapest ceramic hob is £80. > They depend on the type of cookware used. You can buy a pad from amazon for less than $10 that will let you use any cookware on an induction hob. Most cookware _is_ suitable (I bought a new pan before the holidays and even the cheapest non stick pans had a stainless steel layer on the bottom)

midasuni 5y ago
While I was waiting for the electrician to add a new circuit for our new induction oven (replacing an aga), we bought a £35 plug in induction hot plate. 80% of our existing pans were induction ready too
- maccard 5y ago
  It's also important to note that you likely don't need a new circuit if you already have a ceramic electric hob, only if you're installing a new one. I also just did a quick google and in the supermarkets around me, the only pan I could find under £30 that isn't induction compatible is a £10 wok from sainsburys. Everything else had a steel plate.