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Fictional characters, sure. Real people? That's crossing a line. I believe I own myself, and manipulating my face and voice to say what I did not and never wo
by JasonFruit 5y ago
Fictional characters, sure. Real people? That's crossing a line. I believe I own myself, and manipulating my face and voice to say what I did not and never would say is a misuse of my property. I can't fully justify that belief, but I would certainly be enraged beyond reason to see a representation of my principled father speaking against his values.
- smoldesu 5y agoI agree. Now, who's going to be the one to step up to the plate and stop these rascals from running open-source code on their GPUs that allows for this kind of nonsense?
- JasonFruit 5y agoI don't want to force them; I want them to refrain.
- spywaregorilla 5y agoAnd if they refuse?
- bobsmooth 5y agoI will be sad.
- JasonFruit 5y agoPrecisely.
- weregiraffe 5y agoThere are things society allows you to do in private, but not in public.
- gmiller123456 5y agoThere are plenty of ethical uses for using this with real people. Entertainment, a language interpreter, helping disabled people communicate, etc. The lines don't change based on what technology is available, it can, however, make it easier for people to cross them.
- spywaregorilla 5y agoMuch as with other things, the problem isn't the creation of the lie, its the publishing of it. I can claim your dad spoke against his values, publish a fake document, draw or photoshop a photo showing him committing a horrendous crime, etc.. Publishing something anonymously as a fake primary document is vaguely new but probably not going to be too common. It's pretty dumb to suggest that I shouldn't be allowed to create something on my computer privately that I can just imagine on my own, imo.
- JasonFruit 5y agoNotice that I didn't say it shouldn't be allowed; I said it wad wrong and would make me angry. That's an important distinction that is rarely drawn today, between what people shouldn't do and what they shouldn't be allowed to do.
- t0suj4 5y agoI want to point out that there are people that sound or look like famous characters/actors all their life and are being, in some cases, mocked for that. Now imagine people getting sued for being themselves. I think there should be, at most, a protection covered by libel laws as written today and nothing more. Otherwise we risk getting into that mess.
- wruza 5y agoI think that some real people (public persons) are ready to see/hear that someone mocks them, and the rest is not ready for such attention. It’s interesting that our voices and appearances are not unique. I knew people who look or sound like me or like someone else, but when it becomes “and”, we read it as an indentity theft or something like that. We are not far from calls and records to be signed by personal identity keys and fingerprints included into id documents, because otherwise it would be hard to recognize who is who.
- sneak 5y ago> Real people? That's crossing a line. Not really. You can't force people to say stuff they don't want to say, and it was always possible (although with a higher barrier to entry) to come up with recordings of people who sound like other real people. Impersonators aren't a new concept. Just because you have a recording that sounds like person x saying thing y doesn't mean that person x actually said thing y and, critically, it never did. Nothing has changed here. > manipulating my face and voice to say what I did not and never would say is a misuse of my property Your appearance and the way that you sound a) aren't property, and b) aren't yours.