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The AWS console UX is so bad that I would strongly prefer not to spend more time using similarly-designed products. To be fair, good design isn’t easy and it ma

by tibbar 5y ago

The AWS console UX is so bad that I would strongly prefer not to spend more time using similarly-designed products. To be fair, good design isn’t easy and it makes you appreciate the real Stack Overflow more.

philliphaydon 5y ago
I’ve never understood this. Azure is a billion times worse. AWS is rather painless. Just slow.
- tibbar 5y ago
  The AWS console is designed so that you won’t use it at scale, since the “right way” is through terraform/cloudformation etc. This is the only explanation I have at this point for the lack of basic stuff like visualizations of running infrastructure. “If I were running it”, the console would have an entirely visual mode where you can drag and drop infrastructure that’s fully interoperable with a tabular view. It would allow you to see at a glance what you’re running and what it’s doing and what is costing money. The current manifestation as a bunch of tables listing individual items that have secret cross dependencies is just, so much less than what it could be.
  - hericium 5y ago
    > the lack of basic stuff like visualizations of running infrastructure But... this would help Amazon's customers save money. > “If I were running it”, the console would have an entirely visual mode where you can drag and drop infrastructure Honestly, I'm glad that you're not running it. My main issue with their web console is that it forces you to close repeating modals/popups multiple times a day, even within the same account. Like when you open EC2 console and you have to click on a top modal praising new interface. Every refresh gives you this modal to close. Giving in and forcing yourself to use the new interface won't help much, as you'll have to start closing modals asking you to comment on its usability. This one won't reappear within same account when closed but this is just EC2. Enter billing console and you may find 3 modals on top on every sub-page: red one stating that you have payments past due, green one stating that you have no payments past due and blue one being an ad for a new Payments interface. All at the same time. Other services will nag you and force you to close more and more modals and popups every time you open some service's console. When I found myself mindlessly closing console[1] modals and popups without reading, I've got a strong "this is not right" feeling. [1] https://consle.aws.amazon.com/ https://consle.aws.amazon.com/
- abledon 5y ago
  What are some pain points in the Azure one?
  - philliphaydon 5y ago
    I would need to login to my account which I haven’t done in about 2 years. But the thing that bothered me is I always feel like I’m navigating back and forth. And I end up lost where I am. It’s not to say AWS is flawless because it absolutely could be better. But I don’t find myself getting lost. I just get frustrated that it’s slow. There’s many really annoying bugs in AWS tho. Like if you use event bridge and you use the UI. You create a target to a lambda. Then go delete the lambda. The event bridge UI breaks due to not being able to load the lambda. And if you create a target to a lambda and you have 400 lambdas. The page lags while it loads all 400 lambdas in the background before it renders. But navigating around i don’t feel like I end up somewhere else.

by tibbar 5y ago

philliphaydon 5y ago

I’ve never understood this. Azure is a billion times worse. AWS is rather painless. Just slow.

tibbar 5y ago
The AWS console is designed so that you won’t use it at scale, since the “right way” is through terraform/cloudformation etc. This is the only explanation I have at this point for the lack of basic stuff like visualizations of running infrastructure. “If I were running it”, the console would have an entirely visual mode where you can drag and drop infrastructure that’s fully interoperable with a tabular view. It would allow you to see at a glance what you’re running and what it’s doing and what is costing money. The current manifestation as a bunch of tables listing individual items that have secret cross dependencies is just, so much less than what it could be.
- hericium 5y ago
  > the lack of basic stuff like visualizations of running infrastructure But... this would help Amazon's customers save money. > “If I were running it”, the console would have an entirely visual mode where you can drag and drop infrastructure Honestly, I'm glad that you're not running it. My main issue with their web console is that it forces you to close repeating modals/popups multiple times a day, even within the same account. Like when you open EC2 console and you have to click on a top modal praising new interface. Every refresh gives you this modal to close. Giving in and forcing yourself to use the new interface won't help much, as you'll have to start closing modals asking you to comment on its usability. This one won't reappear within same account when closed but this is just EC2. Enter billing console and you may find 3 modals on top on every sub-page: red one stating that you have payments past due, green one stating that you have no payments past due and blue one being an ad for a new Payments interface. All at the same time. Other services will nag you and force you to close more and more modals and popups every time you open some service's console. When I found myself mindlessly closing console[1] modals and popups without reading, I've got a strong "this is not right" feeling. [1] https://consle.aws.amazon.com/ https://consle.aws.amazon.com/
abledon 5y ago
What are some pain points in the Azure one?
- philliphaydon 5y ago
  I would need to login to my account which I haven’t done in about 2 years. But the thing that bothered me is I always feel like I’m navigating back and forth. And I end up lost where I am. It’s not to say AWS is flawless because it absolutely could be better. But I don’t find myself getting lost. I just get frustrated that it’s slow. There’s many really annoying bugs in AWS tho. Like if you use event bridge and you use the UI. You create a target to a lambda. Then go delete the lambda. The event bridge UI breaks due to not being able to load the lambda. And if you create a target to a lambda and you have 400 lambdas. The page lags while it loads all 400 lambdas in the background before it renders. But navigating around i don’t feel like I end up somewhere else.