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Some us _like_ working. If mu team doesn’t want to check-in thats fine but I dont mind getting shit done at 4am or on weekends. Heck I am on a three week vacati

Some us _like_ working. If mu team doesn’t want to check-in thats fine but I dont mind getting shit done at 4am or on weekends. Heck I am on a three week vacation right now and I have been working on a prototype I plan to show off when I get back in the New Year. My team is under no obligation to keep up with me, but Im not going to lower my performance for them.

grappler 5y ago
I like working too! I do work related things on evenings and weekends more often than not. But that time is precious to me as focus time, free of checking in, free of needing to post updates. It's time for reading something long and technical, learning new stuff, or working on code. I'd much rather do that stuff on my own and then have things to share during the next workday.
thn-gap 5y ago
Do you shift your work hours, or do you just do overtime? Are you compensated for it? I just feel usual shifts are already long enough for someone to give away their free time on top of it into the same thing.
- voidfunc 5y ago
  Im salaried, I dont think in terms of hours. I think in terms of goals and progress.
nwiswell 5y ago
> My team is under no obligation to keep up with me I'm not going to pass judgement here, as it's a complicated issue and I have zero context, but I hope you understand why this is not an entirely truthful thing to say. Working over your vacation sets a tone whether or not you intend it to.
- pksebben 5y ago
  Being fairly new to software as a job and not a hobby, I don't have a ton of experience when it comes to office politics. Does it necessarily follow that because employee A is busting ass, expectations get raised for employee B? Is the set standard really that fragile? I'm asking because I tend to dive into work headfirst. I love doing this stuff and I can't believe I'm getting paid for it; but if this is a thing perhaps I should be a little quiet about that - I'm not interested in making enemies of people by being 'too peppy'.
  - v-erne 5y ago
    >>Does it necessarily follow that because employee A is busting ass, expectations get raised for employee B? Is the set standard really that fragile? Yeah sure - most metrics in software do not work as expected, so the only thing that we are left is perceived performance. And perceived performance is created only by comparison - You always subconsciously look for the baseline observing people in Your team, so if one ot them is concentrated only on work and is at least a little bit competent while doing it, it makes others look worse in comparison.
chaos_emergent 5y ago
My guess is that @grappler is more bothered by the performative visibility than that the new guy works as much as he does. It's a clear move toward politicking and away from real productivity.
- grappler 5y ago
  exactly

grappler 5y ago

I like working too! I do work related things on evenings and weekends more often than not. But that time is precious to me as focus time, free of checking in, free of needing to post updates. It's time for reading something long and technical, learning new stuff, or working on code. I'd much rather do that stuff on my own and then have things to share during the next workday.

thn-gap 5y ago

Do you shift your work hours, or do you just do overtime? Are you compensated for it? I just feel usual shifts are already long enough for someone to give away their free time on top of it into the same thing.

voidfunc 5y ago
Im salaried, I dont think in terms of hours. I think in terms of goals and progress.

nwiswell 5y ago

> My team is under no obligation to keep up with me I'm not going to pass judgement here, as it's a complicated issue and I have zero context, but I hope you understand why this is not an entirely truthful thing to say. Working over your vacation sets a tone whether or not you intend it to.

pksebben 5y ago
Being fairly new to software as a job and not a hobby, I don't have a ton of experience when it comes to office politics. Does it necessarily follow that because employee A is busting ass, expectations get raised for employee B? Is the set standard really that fragile? I'm asking because I tend to dive into work headfirst. I love doing this stuff and I can't believe I'm getting paid for it; but if this is a thing perhaps I should be a little quiet about that - I'm not interested in making enemies of people by being 'too peppy'.
- v-erne 5y ago
  >>Does it necessarily follow that because employee A is busting ass, expectations get raised for employee B? Is the set standard really that fragile? Yeah sure - most metrics in software do not work as expected, so the only thing that we are left is perceived performance. And perceived performance is created only by comparison - You always subconsciously look for the baseline observing people in Your team, so if one ot them is concentrated only on work and is at least a little bit competent while doing it, it makes others look worse in comparison.

chaos_emergent 5y ago

My guess is that @grappler is more bothered by the performative visibility than that the new guy works as much as he does. It's a clear move toward politicking and away from real productivity.

grappler 5y ago
exactly