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Aren't Guantanamo Bay and other torture camps (black sites as they are known now) still open?

by angio 5y ago

sgjohnson 5y ago
They are, and it’s horrible. But they key difference is that you won’t really see anyone downplaying them or outright denying their existence.
- angio 5y ago
  I don't know, running torture camps doesn't sound much better if you can talk about them and yet they are not closed.
  - sgjohnson 5y ago
    Could be worse, you could run a real risk of getting disappeared for talking about them. Which is obviously a non-issue in the west.
- wiether 5y ago
  To me the key difference is in the way the propaganda is done. Pro-CCP people are posting comments on the Internet to try to convince western people. Pro-Russia people are paying celebrities of western countries to promote their culture, they are also creating news networks in the west to do the same. USA is using the global western culture (Hollywood, singers...) to promote their agenda. Since we're talking about torture, in the last two decades, the USA produced dozen of films or TV shows where torture is depicted as a necessary evil for the good guy to win over the bad guys. Just look at Jack Bauer. They don't need to go an Twitter saying "no, that's not what happens, we're the good guys, see...", because in the mind of (almost) everyone, it's already accepted, since they saw a good guy doing it in a movie. The propaganda machine from CCP is just not as evolved as the USA's, they are trying to catch up. But all in all, it's a same. It's just more obvious for the CCP guys because they haven't the right tools yet. But given how they are investing in cultural services, I'm sure they will soon be better at it and we won't have those kind of discussion anymore. It will not be "propaganda", but just people arguing against each other on topics on which their favorite state has different opinion.

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Aren't Guantanamo Bay and other torture camps (black sites as they are known now) still open?

by angio 5y ago

Aren't Guantanamo Bay and other torture camps (black sites as they are known now) still open?

sgjohnson 5y ago
They are, and it’s horrible. But they key difference is that you won’t really see anyone downplaying them or outright denying their existence.
- angio 5y ago
  I don't know, running torture camps doesn't sound much better if you can talk about them and yet they are not closed.
  - sgjohnson 5y ago
    Could be worse, you could run a real risk of getting disappeared for talking about them. Which is obviously a non-issue in the west.
- wiether 5y ago
  To me the key difference is in the way the propaganda is done. Pro-CCP people are posting comments on the Internet to try to convince western people. Pro-Russia people are paying celebrities of western countries to promote their culture, they are also creating news networks in the west to do the same. USA is using the global western culture (Hollywood, singers...) to promote their agenda. Since we're talking about torture, in the last two decades, the USA produced dozen of films or TV shows where torture is depicted as a necessary evil for the good guy to win over the bad guys. Just look at Jack Bauer. They don't need to go an Twitter saying "no, that's not what happens, we're the good guys, see...", because in the mind of (almost) everyone, it's already accepted, since they saw a good guy doing it in a movie. The propaganda machine from CCP is just not as evolved as the USA's, they are trying to catch up. But all in all, it's a same. It's just more obvious for the CCP guys because they haven't the right tools yet. But given how they are investing in cultural services, I'm sure they will soon be better at it and we won't have those kind of discussion anymore. It will not be "propaganda", but just people arguing against each other on topics on which their favorite state has different opinion.