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1) Did the NHS get less money? Probably not. 2) Did the country get less poor? Yes. 3) Do you mean migrants? Of course there aren't fewer of them, the EU is s

• jacquesm 5y ago
  > Did the country get less poor? Yes. That's not the story as told by the various figures the government reports. > Do you mean migrants? Of course there aren't fewer of them, the EU is sending them to the UK as fast as they can. That is complete bullshit.
  • hardlianotion 5y ago
    The country is not poorer, and government figures support my claim.
    • jacquesm 5y ago
      Sure! https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59070020 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59070020
      • hardlianotion 5y ago
        And I note that is not a rebuttal.
        • jacquesm 5y ago
          Look, if you want to argue that the UK is wealthier post Brexit then that's fine with me but you are simply out of touch with reality, besides that if the Union fractures - and there is a fair chance that it will - then none of this is more than noise, the end result of that will be a massive financial loss. So you're welcome to your worldview but the reality is that the UK has just had one of the worst years in living memory and that the only dispute you might have is over how much of it is due to COVID-19 and how much due to Brexit. Since we have the rest of Europe as a baseline I don't think that that is undoable, and it doesn't look particularly good for the UK.
          • hardlianotion 5y ago
            I dunno dude. All I did was look up the GDP time series. The fact that there is an increase prompts my comment.
            • jacquesm 5y ago
              There is no increase. Whey do you keep repeating these things when they are trivially disproved? https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/timeseries/abmi/qna https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/times...
              • hardlianotion 5y ago
                I think you are trolling me now. I originally said we are not poorer and that government figures support me. The increase I thought I recalled is not there, but my thesis is supported. And the recovery is from a dip that has nothing to do with Brexit. Why the rage and rhetoric? I have corrected a few of your mistakes in your haste to rubbish everything on this island post-brexit. and that only sparks anger from you. It is your privilege to hate every aspect of Brexit, but if you are plotting its doom, surely better to equip yourself better with facts and to make some of your assertions less wild.
• realusername 5y ago
  > 1) Did the NHS get less money? Probably not. This just moving goalposts, before it was supposed to be funded better, now keeping it as it was before is seen as a success? Does it mean you admit that it achieved nothing? > 2) Did the country get less poor? Yes. Highly debatable, especially regarding the economic damage, some people lost their jobs, some businesses permanently closed (including some I knew). I admit the economic damage is a bit hard to separate from covid now but it's clearly real. Edit: Actually now that I think about it, the sole reason my current company is so well funded is that a lot of investors tried to move to continental europe to diversify following brexit. I'm sure this will have some long term consequences. > 3) Do you mean migrants? Of course there aren't fewer of them, the EU is sending them to the UK as fast as they can. You need a better government, not membership in the EU. Source? I mean, this is just 100% invented.
  • viktorcode 5y ago
    I disagree that 2) is debatable. You can compare the GDP numbers from the rest of the EU and UK after the referendum. The difference is clear.
    • hardlianotion 5y ago
      When you split them out by country, they do look less clear. France, for instance.