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It might well have made Europe stronger. UK was always the awkward odd man out that vetoed decisions left and right. I suspect that the UK will be back in the

by danjac 5y ago

It might well have made Europe stronger. UK was always the awkward odd man out that vetoed decisions left and right. I suspect that the UK will be back in the Single Market in all but name by the end of the decade, once there is a change of regime, the core Brexit demographic has passed away, and economic realities come home to roost.

akmarinov 5y ago
I’m in the same boat, the path to federalization is a slight bit more clear now.
- thechao 5y ago
  American: by Federalization, do you mean a single pan-EU govt? Is there a sunmary if the structure & power-sharing arrangement between the constituent states?
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    Some things are shared already: The Euro is common currency for key states, and borders are light-to-non-existent. Thea means that a lot of governance has to be shared. The lesson is that a single market isn't just about opening borders, it's about shared standards and practices that prevent a race to the bottom. A market is fundamentally a shared set of ground-rules. I'm sure that there are lessons to be learned from 2008 about making a shared currency and financial arrangement that works for both e.g. Germany and for Greece. Without the UK, "the awkward odd man out that consistently vetoed further integration" this trend is bound to continue and more things will become shared, in an "ever closer union".
- akvadrako 5y ago
  You think EU will become more close knit? The Dutch government recently said that next time the EU treaty is updated they will request the "ever closer union" be removed. Poland and some other eastern EU countries also seem to be pushing for more national sovereignty.
mmarq 5y ago
Before it went insane, the UK played a positive antagonistic (to Germany) role, that I believe helped shaping some European institutions. The EU is in some way weaker, because it lost a very important state, in some way stronger because everybody can see the shitshow that Brexit is and nobody dares to propose Italy or France leave the Union. The UK is definitely weaker.

by danjac 5y ago

akmarinov 5y ago

I’m in the same boat, the path to federalization is a slight bit more clear now.

thechao 5y ago
American: by Federalization, do you mean a single pan-EU govt? Is there a sunmary if the structure & power-sharing arrangement between the constituent states?
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  Some things are shared already: The Euro is common currency for key states, and borders are light-to-non-existent. Thea means that a lot of governance has to be shared. The lesson is that a single market isn't just about opening borders, it's about shared standards and practices that prevent a race to the bottom. A market is fundamentally a shared set of ground-rules. I'm sure that there are lessons to be learned from 2008 about making a shared currency and financial arrangement that works for both e.g. Germany and for Greece. Without the UK, "the awkward odd man out that consistently vetoed further integration" this trend is bound to continue and more things will become shared, in an "ever closer union".
akvadrako 5y ago
You think EU will become more close knit? The Dutch government recently said that next time the EU treaty is updated they will request the "ever closer union" be removed. Poland and some other eastern EU countries also seem to be pushing for more national sovereignty.

mmarq 5y ago

Before it went insane, the UK played a positive antagonistic (to Germany) role, that I believe helped shaping some European institutions. The EU is in some way weaker, because it lost a very important state, in some way stronger because everybody can see the shitshow that Brexit is and nobody dares to propose Italy or France leave the Union. The UK is definitely weaker.